I really don't like how most of the characters look with the RE Engine, but Jill is the best looking one easily in my eyes. Hard to hate on her design.
The backlash that Claire and Jill got with the remakes really exposed some people, huh
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I don't remember any backlash against Claire. After the RE7 Chris debacle, people were happy that Leon and Claire looked like Leon and Claire
I do remember Jill's backlash. being bummed that she wasn't modeled after Julia Voth is understandable since Voth's fave defines Jill for a ton of people but the outfit debacle was stupid
I do remember Jill's backlash. being bummed that she wasn't modeled after Julia Voth is understandable since Voth's fave defines Jill for a ton of people but the outfit debacle was stupid
Never really saw this for Claire or Jill, but I've certainly seen it for other characters - Aloy, Lara Croft, etc.
Not saying they don't exist - but not in big enough numbers that I was ever aware of it.
How charitable of you.
Not saying they don't exist - but not in big enough numbers that I was ever aware of it.
How charitable of you.
Yeah I'm not sure about those posts. It was all over the internet, including this place.
The assholes all get their marching orders from the same forums, Youtube channels, ect. It was decided Claire and Jill were the targets that month (both RE2 and RE3 remakes came out during slow times of the year). There was nothing rational or terribly revealing about it. They're both obviously good character models and not "unattractive" by any sane standard -- if they were in another game, they'd be praised.
I like everything about RE3R Jill, including the new outfit.
My only issue with RE2R Claire is that (to me) she doesn't look like original Claire. I like the design itself, and would have no issues if it was a new character or even the original Claire, it was just odd for an established character to look different (such as, for a random example, Chris suddenly showed up with a different face...cough...).
Either way, I still like the design, and I got over it anyway. :P
My only issue with RE2R Claire is that (to me) she doesn't look like original Claire. I like the design itself, and would have no issues if it was a new character or even the original Claire, it was just odd for an established character to look different (such as, for a random example, Chris suddenly showed up with a different face...cough...).
Either way, I still like the design, and I got over it anyway. :P
I can't say much about Claire, but if someone showed me this picture before remake 3 was announced:
I would immediately think of Jill. Does he look exactly like Jill from RE3? No. For one, her face has more than 16 pixels. But that's Jill through and through.
I do think they could have tired to keep the costume a little more similar to the original. But I'm talking subtle changes to the design we got.
I would immediately think of Jill. Does he look exactly like Jill from RE3? No. For one, her face has more than 16 pixels. But that's Jill through and through.
I do think they could have tired to keep the costume a little more similar to the original. But I'm talking subtle changes to the design we got.
Don't remember this much about Claire.
Jill on the other hand… the amount of "This is NOT MY Jill Valentine!!!" Posts all over YT/Twitter were horrendous. Been a fan for 20yrs and IMO this was by far the best Jill ever looked/acted.
Jill on the other hand… the amount of "This is NOT MY Jill Valentine!!!" Posts all over YT/Twitter were horrendous. Been a fan for 20yrs and IMO this was by far the best Jill ever looked/acted.
The remake interpetations of Claire and Jill are my favorite versions of them. Just so well done from both visual and acting standpoints. I think the only issue I had was with Claire's "classic" outfit, which they actually sexualized more over the original by replacing the undershirt with a low cut tank top.
I just hope Capcom can actually attain some consistency going forward this time. Characters completely changing their looks/voices between games is a legit problem this series has.
I just hope Capcom can actually attain some consistency going forward this time. Characters completely changing their looks/voices between games is a legit problem this series has.
Just throwing my memories in, I don't remember a lot of hubbub over these most recent designs, however, I remember people not being fond of Claire in Revelations 2.
I will say don't be too quick to assume everyone complaining about the designs is a toxic asshole. The RE games seem to redesign the main characters in virtually every new game, and it's always a bit of a shock "THAT'S Claire?" or "What the hell did they do to Chris?" (<- I still can't get over Chris Thick Beef Redfield). It's not that I don't believe you, just that a lot of the discourse isn't necessarily some hate for the female protagonists but could just be general comments on character redesigns.
Personally I think the redesigns are fantastic in those two Remakes, Leon and Carlos (Keanu) included.
I used to want to take these games seriously, but after RE4's shift in tone, then RE5, RE6, then RE7, and especially 8.. Nothing matters. Nothing matters at all, and I eventually realized I had been caring more about continuity and grounding than the developers of the games do. It's just wacky nonsense, whatever seems cool to put in the game, so we just have to embrace that, new actors in old roles and all.
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Yeah I dont remember anything about Claire but holy FUCK at the amount of "NOT MY JILL VALENTINE" like posts
But at the same time, considering that both characters were women that got clothes added to them in a modern design, yeah i can't imagine that going well with weirdo audiences
But at the same time, considering that both characters were women that got clothes added to them in a modern design, yeah i can't imagine that going well with weirdo audiences
Jesus I never realized how bad Claire's OG design was with the Jean shorts and cowboy boots lmfao.
Tbh, this is my main complaint for the faces because of this weird uncanny valley look to them due to how it is rendered by the RE Engine. Although funny enough, I think the faces in DMC5 look pretty good if a bit derpy at times.
Is Chris the only one to be in multiple RE engine games? Besides him I imagine everyone will be more consistent, or at least those who are in multiple remakes.
Well...GameFAQs message boards are not exactly the gold standard for sophisticated discussion.
This is one of those threads where I think it shows that the Twitter, forum, and YouTube places I circle are nicer than I realize. As I never heard these complaints before.
That people here didn't feel like there was that much of a backlash isn't giving cover to any sort of misogynist/gg types. Because at a certain point, how much is it worth to give any sort of energy and attention to whatever little backlash there was? And if they truly didn't see any backlash, why accuse them of anything?
i love both their re-designs, i don't think they could have made them more perfect. i honestly can't remember much backlash for their actual models but there was some backlash for jill's outfit. also i think when they first revealed re2 claire's model was still a WIP, i remember her looks changing quite a lot between the first reveal and the final game.
There's nothing wrong with the way Claire and Jill look in the remakes, in terms of faces, or anything like that. I genuinely can't believe anyone would call either of them "ugly". That said, speaking in terms of character design, Jill's tank top and jeans combo got some rightful backlash, just for how dang boring and uninspired it is. Generally speaking, when you point that out, folks immediately jump to strawmen like "Well what do you want her to wear?!?! A suit of armor?! A G-string?! 😡" and it's like, uh, no, just maybe something more inspired than what they gave her, lmao.
Additionally, I'm not big on Jill's remake characterization, but that's entirely down to preference, and has nothing to do with some perceived "loss of sex appeal". People be wild.
Additionally, I'm not big on Jill's remake characterization, but that's entirely down to preference, and has nothing to do with some perceived "loss of sex appeal". People be wild.
I literally remember it happening here before, like what? People trying to rewrite history or save face here or something lol
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I also remember a lot of complaints that Claire and Jill were using the f-word too often.
Anyone else remembers that ?
Anyone else remembers that ?
What's funny is that a lot of the hate is dealt out by people who likely wouldn't have played the original RE games on playstation etc. as those games are 20+ years old.
I can understand a degree of nostalgia or fondness for an original design of something from someone who played the game back then and has an image in their head or memories etc.
But you can clearly see the strings behind these types of internet crusades, as so much of this hate is coming from teenagers/young adults or people who would have been too young to play the games in the 90s, and I doubt would have the patience to play an old ass clunky game in modern times to have such fondness or nostalgia themselves (hence the existence of a remake in the first place).
So angry shouty men on the internet, leading their audience of young men/boys in angry vengeance on something most of their audience has no real attachment to in the first place.
I can understand a degree of nostalgia or fondness for an original design of something from someone who played the game back then and has an image in their head or memories etc.
But you can clearly see the strings behind these types of internet crusades, as so much of this hate is coming from teenagers/young adults or people who would have been too young to play the games in the 90s, and I doubt would have the patience to play an old ass clunky game in modern times to have such fondness or nostalgia themselves (hence the existence of a remake in the first place).
So angry shouty men on the internet, leading their audience of young men/boys in angry vengeance on something most of their audience has no real attachment to in the first place.
I remember lots and lots of sexist bitching, but I also remember some more casual "I liked the old face more" for Jill but that was pretty much all drowned out.
Personally I'm glad they modernized the design even if I thought it was weird they changed the face. But at the same time I've literally only played REmake 1 so I didn't care much if at all about the new face
Personally I'm glad they modernized the design even if I thought it was weird they changed the face. But at the same time I've literally only played REmake 1 so I didn't care much if at all about the new face
Oh yeah I've definitely seen this. The mod scene was riddled with "fixed Claire" and "fixed Jill" mods, which, as you would guess were horribly misogynistic.
I like Claire's OG outfit more, but the new one is still good, and honestly my biggest criticism was the OG outfit you unlocked in the game being more sexualised than the original. 🙄
Also let's not forget jortsgate. Jilluminados were on the prowl.
I like Claire's OG outfit more, but the new one is still good, and honestly my biggest criticism was the OG outfit you unlocked in the game being more sexualised than the original. 🙄
Also let's not forget jortsgate. Jilluminados were on the prowl.
A few whiny pissbabies who have never had a relationship with a member of the opposite sex whine about the aesthetics of a 3D model in a video game. My advice is just ignore them, they're just bored with their existence and need something in their lives to prop up their own personal mysery, even if it is something or someone fictional.
If anyone did say those types of things my mind auto-ignored those comments. I mean... every single playable character in the Remakes is a knockout.
My blood pressure spiked reading that first page full of people dismissing this being a thing that happened when it was all over the place, including on this very forum!
Thank christ people came in and started setting people straight, tho still seems to be a lot of dismissal going on.
You can not have been around or be forgetful, but don't try to tell people they're crazy and are blowing things out of proportion.
There's posts accusing the OP of trying to cause false outrage, OH MY FUCKING GOD.
Thank christ people came in and started setting people straight, tho still seems to be a lot of dismissal going on.
You can not have been around or be forgetful, but don't try to tell people they're crazy and are blowing things out of proportion.
There's posts accusing the OP of trying to cause false outrage, OH MY FUCKING GOD.
They look great but I still think the Claire model looks weird from certain angles. It probably is simply my own preferences; for example I definitely feel that I have a good side and bad side of my face.
2k likes is still pretty depressing but man what a ratio
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People wanted Jill to look like REmake Julia Voth and that's where a lot of her backlash came from IIRC. People also complained about how Revelations Jill looked completely different too *shrugs*
Idk why people were made. Sure Jill doesn't have her skirt and tube top anymore but the game still goes out if its way to put her ass into the frame and even throw in some fetish stuff like the Draining Deimos.
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I always cringe at the "Fan made on the right" because that would mean it took some sort of effort.
It's not fan made, they just opened FaceApp and put all of the "beauty" filter all the way up to the max. You can do that in 2 seconds.
My only complaint about Claire is her noir outfit is too goddamn cute and I have a hard time going back to the default look.
I laughed until my sides hurt, wow. Niggas really be needin their eye candy to have a good time huh
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Who are these crazy people? Capcom did great selecting the models for Claire and Jill (and Trish and Lady and gadget lady). They are friggin gorgeous people.
I think this shift to using real faces by some devs is a great decision because using SE as an example their faces tend to look samey /have the same features, and you can only remember them by their hairstyles and outfits.
I think this shift to using real faces by some devs is a great decision because using SE as an example their faces tend to look samey /have the same features, and you can only remember them by their hairstyles and outfits.
Looking through the reaction thread on this board I can't imagine anybody on this site with a passing interest in the remakes didn't see the nontrivial number of posts unhappy with her appearance, from deviating from whatever they thought of from the older games was a preferable outfit or haircut to just outright calling her ugly. And no shortage of 'oh great now she's just modern Lara Croft' and 'she looks too generic' whining. A sampling:
That's just from skimming the first four pages. No duplicate posters involved. Maybe we can let the 'just a tiny minority/I never saw it' narrative die for now.
That's just from skimming the first four pages. No duplicate posters involved. Maybe we can let the 'just a tiny minority/I never saw it' narrative die for now.
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