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My pallet is actually very broad I like all types of movies, games, Books , and television. from many genres from popcorn trash to to the deep stuff that makes you think.
The Best Television is Better Than The Best Movies (higher emotional investment, impressive writing. Compare your own personal Favorites)
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MCU is Television my friend Don't let the theater fool you.
Movies are the new TV for me. Since Breaking Bad, I haven't even watched any western TV shows, it's just been movies and anime for me. Why watch a low budget superhero show when I can watch the MCU instead? There are so many serialized movie franchises now that there's no point in even going back to the low budget, mediocre action and drama you would find on TV.
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sorry I maybe should remove the Mcu section you guys are missing the point compare your personal favorite Movies to your personal favorite shows then answer the poll.
sorry I maybe should remove the Mcu section you guys are missing the point compare your personal favorite Movies to your personal favorite shows then answer the poll.
No way, give me a well-structured and paced movie over an unnecessarily lengthy TV series any day. It's extremely rare that a series manages to keep me interested for a long period of time, it needs to be just 1 or 2 seasons with a few episodes each for me to keep watching and even then I sometimes feel it would work better as a movie.
It's hard to assess your wrong (I kid a... little) opinion when you haven't even told us what films you've seen. ... but seriously -_-
Ultimately they're two different mediums....and are different everywhere too.. especially TV.
TV shows in Britain will run for 6 episode and never return. Whilst in South Korea you have drama's that run for 1 hour and a half at 16 episodes long (for a complete show). And then there's the variability of anime.
So it depends on what you mean...
I am generally not a fan of the American way though. Every show feels like it's trying to hit 5 seasons.
But yeah I'm going to have to pass on your opinion. It seems like the same old books vs movies debate too... it's like arguing prestige Pixar shorts are worst than prestige Pixar films because character development or something. It's a weird way of looking at art/cinema.
But in jest I'll play aIong ... and even then I can just point to The Social Network, 2001, or even The Dark Knight and go... has an equivalent tv show (say in terms of topic or genre) been as good as those? Really ... that substantially better?
Can we really say that?
Ultimately they're two different mediums....and are different everywhere too.. especially TV.
TV shows in Britain will run for 6 episode and never return. Whilst in South Korea you have drama's that run for 1 hour and a half at 16 episodes long (for a complete show). And then there's the variability of anime.
So it depends on what you mean...
I am generally not a fan of the American way though. Every show feels like it's trying to hit 5 seasons.
But yeah I'm going to have to pass on your opinion. It seems like the same old books vs movies debate too... it's like arguing prestige Pixar shorts are worst than prestige Pixar films because character development or something. It's a weird way of looking at art/cinema.
But in jest I'll play aIong ... and even then I can just point to The Social Network, 2001, or even The Dark Knight and go... has an equivalent tv show (say in terms of topic or genre) been as good as those? Really ... that substantially better?
Can we really say that?
The best films are just far more succinct than the best TV shows which is their main advantage. Moonlight is one of my favourite films of the decade and The Leftovers is one of my favourite shows of the decade but the former was able to move me in about 1/10th the time.
From the sampling you gave in your OP, it doesn't seem like it's very broad at all - I don't mean this to be an insult, it's just that it seems like the typical 'nerd' media stuff. It doesn't look like you've explored outside of that very much based on the outlook you're conveying here regarding things like 'payoff' being the vortex your perception is whirling around. Like watching something is supposed to end up in an orgasm or something. It almost sounds like you're describing watching porn.
Limited series can be equal to movies and are just 6+ hours long films (I'm looking at you Maniac). I watch more series than movies nowadays and I feel the former can often be like junk food, plot and character development can sometimes feel arbitrary (maybe because they are written season after season?) and I rarely feel satisfied by them.
Prefer TV these days but there is still a lot of unnecessary padding with the medium.
In contrast, the padding of films into trilogies has recreated the problem in the world of cinema. The sweet spot seems to be 1 hour episodic serials with 1-2 hour standalone pieces.
In contrast, the padding of films into trilogies has recreated the problem in the world of cinema. The sweet spot seems to be 1 hour episodic serials with 1-2 hour standalone pieces.
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i didn't come in here expecting anime and MCU, but i honestly shoulda known better
its like those threads "i have a hard time watching old movies", and you go in there and they're talking about having trouble watching stuff from 2002
I'd take top TV over top film, just enjoy the medium more.
Every medium has the few examples that execute the mediums strengths well and then has the heaps of "popcorn trash" to go along with it. Movies, TV, stage musicals, music, (puts up firewall) video games... etc.
Every medium has the few examples that execute the mediums strengths well and then has the heaps of "popcorn trash" to go along with it. Movies, TV, stage musicals, music, (puts up firewall) video games... etc.
I think there's more good output in the world of TV than there is in film nowadays when it comes to works that try to tell good stories or build some sort of thesis/meaning.
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I love movies too I dont think they are trash or something it's very colse and im just looking for some good debate.
Moonlight and the leftovers are both fantastic but by season 3 of leftoves I just started feeling more conected to the characters because I;ve been around them so long.
I am 24 born 1996 witch is the cutoff I could go either way.
who the hell eats popcorn while listening to music
anyway OP, to give us some more info, whats the oldest decade you regularly watch in regards to movies
because it has been justifiably said that there has been an exodus of talent (especially writers) that have gone from movies to TV over the last 25 years
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Never watched One Piece not for me seems like a bunch of filler and iffy writing( from clips I've seen on youtube ) would be a bad watching experience am I wrong?
Why not both? Sometimes I haven't got the time to run through a whole TV series. Sometimes a story can be told in two hours rather than ten.
A Game of Thrones works as a TV show and wouldn't work as a single or even a trilogy of films.
Knives Out (most recent film I watched) works great as a single, one and done story.
Each have their merits and one is not better than the other.
A Game of Thrones works as a TV show and wouldn't work as a single or even a trilogy of films.
Knives Out (most recent film I watched) works great as a single, one and done story.
Each have their merits and one is not better than the other.
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If I could, I would give every Era member a sub to the Criterion Channel, lol.
But really, the mediums of tv shows and films both have different strengths and weaknesses, and making a definitive statement about one being better as a result is kind of silly.
But really, the mediums of tv shows and films both have different strengths and weaknesses, and making a definitive statement about one being better as a result is kind of silly.
I agree, movies are way too limited in what they can do. I'm much less likely to watch a new film over a new series these days because a 2-3 hour runtime just doesn't give the story and characters nearly as much potential room to breathe.
If it is filmed nice and shiny with good production values people will call any garbage prestige TV nowdays. Like Watchmen.
What is the purpose of this debate though? What does it accomplish to entangle Film and television in a 'better or worse' hierarchy. What is the point of that? At the end of it, you're just tallying up what people like more or less. Debate kind of demands richer discourse than that to be fruitful or rewarding.
Also, why is intimacy only measured through the amount of time spent with whatever media? Is this how people see their relationships with other humans as well, and only feel strong connections to people they've been around a really long time?
Does 'depth' just mean 'lots of information' in the minds of many?
I prefer the time commitment for movies compared to TV shows. But both are good.
I can't believe OP mentioned Kill la Kill.
I can't believe OP mentioned Kill la Kill.
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I will agree when it comes to main characters movies often deliver complete arcs. one of my issues is side characters often come off as devices to move the plot in movies while in T.V. shows they often get opportunities to be real characters while they service the narrative.
Nah man. Just in the past couple years, there's movies like Portrait of a Lady on Fire, Roma, Little Women, The Lighthouse - they do more in 2 hours than a TV show can manage with 20. It takes a truly rare and special TV show to keep up film quality across 10-20 hours. There's some that are up there, but they're a LOT harder to find.
That very short period of time when Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Mad Men were all on at the same time, Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad the few years after that (alongside many other amazing shows both before and after). Ugh. We've still got great shows today but what a time!
Is Annihilation modern prestige cinema or nah?
I do not watch the anime, so no comment, I do read the manga sometimes.
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When mako, ryuko and satsuki go on that date at the end of the last episode I lost it crying what can i say. Keep in mind Kill la Kill is part of the emotional attachment section not the impressive writing section.
I see. I don't know but my brother was born in the year 2000 and he at one point didn't even watch movies. Aside from superhero films he just watched TV.
Sometimes I think it feels easier to try a TV series and be sucked in to mediocre content for 50 episodes verses watching serious/mopey Oscar or Palme d'Or winning films for some people and then having to find a new one.
Especially in this digital age where we are always distracted by our phones. A movie can't afford you to be distracted, whilst a TV show can.
So I think the younger generation are more swayed towards TV because of these factors. (Especially since there's been an exodus of film talent to TV these past ten years) they probably don't have the nostalgia of many good two hour films.
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We'll see when HBO releases Parasite TV series then we can compare it to the movie version. I honestly doubt it will top the movie though.
Miniseries combine the best qualities of both. No bloat or multi season commitments but just enough time to explore and flesh out ancillary characters and themes.
But really each format has its strengths and will be better suited depending on the story being told.
But really each format has its strengths and will be better suited depending on the story being told.
Plenty of good ensemble films
And the more compressed nature of films means I can remember many films where a side character is instantly memorable, iconic even, because all the fat is stripped away
Media discussions online are too often reduced to plot (oh god), arcs, emotional investment, world building and character development. Sure, TV shows have the space to flesh that out more, but this also comes at the cost of other aspects like lyricism. Shows can have poetic sequences, but it's always grounded in the show's diegetic reality. You can't really have 2001: A Space Odyssey or Tarkovsky's Mirror in show format. Even for more "popcorn" stuff, how do you make as show that plays with narrative structure like Memento or Pulp Fiction. I guess you could, but it wouldn't have the same effect. Films work great to explore an idea, and can do so much more freely.
Regarding characters, TV shows have the potential to create long and great developments, backstories etc. while cinema has to create characters that grab your attention from the first second. You only spend minutes to an hour or two with them and you just get who they are without tons of extra information. I'd argue it is as difficult to write a great character that way as in a long format.
Anyway, why not both?
Regarding characters, TV shows have the potential to create long and great developments, backstories etc. while cinema has to create characters that grab your attention from the first second. You only spend minutes to an hour or two with them and you just get who they are without tons of extra information. I'd argue it is as difficult to write a great character that way as in a long format.
Anyway, why not both?
When a story is spread across a longer period of time, it increases the chances that someone in the chain of command will screw it up. While that makes it all the more impressive when a show is able to maintain a consistent level of quality, the stakes are much higher and success less likely. There is a greater chance I will finish a TV show dissatisfied than with a film. And it is so much worse to be dissatisfied in a show. If I dislike a film that's, at most, three hours gone. With a show it is dozens. I honestly cannot think of a TV drama I've seen that has been great from start to finish outside of Breaking Bad, and even there the payoff is about equal to a good film. I've stopped taking that gamble at this point.
Even if I stick with your premise and go with favorites, my favorite movie (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind) kicks the ass of my favorite show (Arrested Development). But that wasn't always the case, and it brings me to another key knock on TV: as a living medium, it is far more susceptible to the whims of the market. When I think about AD, I don't just have those first three pristine seasons. I have to take the whole work into account. Same goes for something like The Simpsons. Execs and producers in this medium have the power to retroactively sully everything that preceded their interference. Film just doesn't work that way.
Even if I stick with your premise and go with favorites, my favorite movie (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind) kicks the ass of my favorite show (Arrested Development). But that wasn't always the case, and it brings me to another key knock on TV: as a living medium, it is far more susceptible to the whims of the market. When I think about AD, I don't just have those first three pristine seasons. I have to take the whole work into account. Same goes for something like The Simpsons. Execs and producers in this medium have the power to retroactively sully everything that preceded their interference. Film just doesn't work that way.
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