The Dark Knight Rises is Not That Bad of a Film
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First off, as an overall Nolan Batman apologist , nothing about his trilogy merits the level of mental gymnastics necessary to excuse its negative elements as "great campy fun".
But that is ultimately one of the problems with Rises. It seemingly leans too heavily on "its just a comic book movie" logic in a franchise that largely hasn't earned such good faith on the part of the audience.
And that's not even getting into the fact that it's also a terribly aged piece of overt copaganda. Did you know that the Ocuppy Wall Street movement was secretly funded by an assortment of shifty foreign terrorists whose ultimate main purpose was in fact to bring down society? And that only the police can save us from this existential threat?
But hey, the rich guy got to have a date with girlfriend at the end, so all is right with the world.
But that is ultimately one of the problems with Rises. It seemingly leans too heavily on "its just a comic book movie" logic in a franchise that largely hasn't earned such good faith on the part of the audience.
And that's not even getting into the fact that it's also a terribly aged piece of overt copaganda. Did you know that the Ocuppy Wall Street movement was secretly funded by an assortment of shifty foreign terrorists whose ultimate main purpose was in fact to bring down society? And that only the police can save us from this existential threat?
But hey, the rich guy got to have a date with girlfriend at the end, so all is right with the world.
It has a lot of very good scenes and some bad ones. The plot makes very little sense in so many ways though, so it is still the worst of the Nolan Batman trilogy. Doesn't make it a bad movie, just a disappointing one.
It's fine/good but with some questionable choices which dragged it down - definitely not the sin against cinema that people seem to make it out to be here. Much better than a fair few of DCs other offerings anyway.
Please do not trust Era when it comes to comic book movie opinions of all things lol
Please do not trust Era when it comes to comic book movie opinions of all things lol
Umm no?
My favorite thing about Bale's Batman is how his mouth is always agape. Most of the time he looks like he's holding back a sneeze, probably because the mask is really constricting on his nose.
Did something happen with Nolan this week? I saw this same thread about Tenet on here or reddit a few days ago, and now DKR. I'm expecting an "Interstellar is underrated" thread before the week's end.
I remember being amped when Batman reappears. But the ensuing scene felt flat, lacked tension, and I felt the energy go out of me. No scene ever lived up to the hype they setup.
"This is gonna be awesome. THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME."
Scene ends.
"That was...okay."
"This is gonna be awesome. THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME."
Scene ends.
"That was...okay."
I think Pete Holmes really put the final nail in the Bale coffin for me. 😆 Bale over acts it so much.
It feels very RotJ to me. Lots of lows, but the highs really worked for me. I thought it was a great sendoff to this incarnation of the character. I liked that he found peace in retiring, and knowing someone carries on the cause. I thought the more grounded Catwoman was a good fit for that universe.
Really, the weird choice to NOT call his hover car the Batwing annoys me more than how Burce got back to Gotham or Miranda's bad death scene.
Really, the weird choice to NOT call his hover car the Batwing annoys me more than how Burce got back to Gotham or Miranda's bad death scene.
It's okay. It is worse than The Dark Knight and about on par with Batman Begins. I really don't understand the strong reactions people have against the film.
It is still considerably better than most DC films after it or MCU phase 4 films not called No Way Home.
It is still considerably better than most DC films after it or MCU phase 4 films not called No Way Home.
It's goofy but it's not terrible. Just a mediocre ending with some good ideas. Heath Ledger dying probably messed with whatever Nolan had planned. It gave us Bane memes and most importantly Bane's voice from the Harley Quinn show.
The Batman shits all over the Nolan movies though
The Batman shits all over the Nolan movies though
Only watched it once when it came out in the cinema.I was so hyped for it and I couldn't believe how bad it was and couldn't wait for the movie to end.
Bane is the only truly great thing about that film, and even his motivations can get pretty questionable regarding Talia. He wasn't portrayed as a generic "strong dumb man," which was such a nice change of pace that was closer to his original comic personality than Batman and Robin.
Bale's Batman voice really must have taken a toll on him because it was at its peak goofiness in Rises. The "WHERE'S THE TRIGGGGGEERRRRRR" scene was fucking horrendous, for example.
Also the cop protagonist's middle name was a bad idea, no one I've ever talked to in real life has said that was a good move.
Bale's Batman voice really must have taken a toll on him because it was at its peak goofiness in Rises. The "WHERE'S THE TRIGGGGGEERRRRRR" scene was fucking horrendous, for example.
Also the cop protagonist's middle name was a bad idea, no one I've ever talked to in real life has said that was a good move.
Naw dawg, movie is pretty bad. It's a cringe fest that couldn't recover from the loss of Ledger's Joker between TDK and TDKR. It's pro cop propaganda, a heavy handed metaphor about how we apparently wouldn't enjoy a lower class revolution as much as we think we would (Doesn't make sense) and yeah, it was a bad end to the trilogy.
this is exactly my take, people act like i'm insane when i point it out.
I think The Dark Knight Rises and The Last Jedi share in common that they're the worst in their trilogy. The Dark Knight was obviously the better of the two.
Ironically, I don't know anyone outside of Era that actually likes it.
Just so I'm clear on the OP, if you compare it to bad movies, it's actually pretty good?
Well damn, that changes everything.
Also, the capitalization in thread titles on this site is hilarious. If it's not the name of an article, just write it like a human would.
Well damn, that changes everything.
Also, the capitalization in thread titles on this site is hilarious. If it's not the name of an article, just write it like a human would.
I'd say nerd circles in general. Fans generally get way more hung up on plot holes and production issues than general audiences.
Its not unwatchable but it is a major step down in quality. That second half makes it a bad movie. The best thing about this movie is the CIA memes and the birth of the Bane character in the Harley Quinn series.
You fringe nutjobs keep comparing it to good movies, when Normal People™ only compare things to dumpster fires. The Era bubble strikes again!
i liked it when it came out but it got goofier on every rewatch
I now like it mostly for the memes
I now like it mostly for the memes
Kind of disingenuous to bring up "what came after," since compared to Snyder, anything looks good. TDKR is a laughable mess of a script and a wet fart of an ending for the trilogy. The cost of Jonathan Nolan moving to TV, leaving Dave Goyer to write the script in his usual "I have never met or understood a human being" style. ("Orphan eyes." Give me a fucking break.) I do enjoy Hardy's performance as Bane (before the plot completely undermines him as the villain), and Michael Caine is of course always watchable in anything, but it's a bad movie.
"The Dark Knight" is unequivocally a top 3 all time comic book movie. In a lot of ways it's one of the very best movies of the 00s period.
Part of the problem was just how "meh" TDKR was as a follow up. It's certainly better than any of the Snyder DC movies but eh.
Part of the problem was just how "meh" TDKR was as a follow up. It's certainly better than any of the Snyder DC movies but eh.
It was a huge disappointment. Its plot and script are dumb, bordering on incoherent — the biggest letdown after TDK.
But yeah, viewed on its own merits there's campy fun to be had. Hardy and Hathaway are clearly enjoying themselves and I appreciate the ambition. They really swung for the fences, plotwise. I'd rather have that than The Batman, which imo goes for the most obvious and predictable option with every artistic choice made.
But yeah, viewed on its own merits there's campy fun to be had. Hardy and Hathaway are clearly enjoying themselves and I appreciate the ambition. They really swung for the fences, plotwise. I'd rather have that than The Batman, which imo goes for the most obvious and predictable option with every artistic choice made.
84 posts before someone made the bane reference
You're slipping, ERA!
One of the things that gets me about this movie is how the bad guys really want somebody to stop them, because they quite easily could have won.
- They trap all the cops in the city underground, all at once, and then just keep them there for months while their friends regularly pass them food and supplies so that they're nice and ready to fight once somebody lets them out of the tunnels.
- Bane breaks Batman's back, then makes a point of keeping him alive so he can eventually watch a bomb go off on TV. Admittedly, he sends him to watch TV far away, but he could have guaranteed no Bat-meddling if he really wanted to.
- So they turn a nuclear reactor into a bomb, but it's going to take a few months to get ready. Do they stash it somewhere secret and safe, to eventually destroy Gotham City unexpectedly one day? No! They tell everyone about it right away, and then parade it around the city in a truck.
Exactly! Why compare it with the two other movies in the trilogy. It's better than BatClooney and Sad Affleck. So DKR is…good.
And all of the shit that makes it laugh out loud funny like the fight scenes and that lady that dies by going from fully wide eyed and conscious to just suddenly closing her eyes and wiggling her head? It's all fine. It's not as funny or camp as the Adam West movie, but it's a decent comedy in its own right.
It's fine. Nowhere near as good as Begins or TDK, but it's not the trash some people like to think it is.
TDK is my favorite movie, pretty much I think it's the greatest film ever. I can watch it over and over and still be at the edge of my seat. It's absolutely magical...TDKR is OK, a good movie by movie standards, but a disappointing sequel and finale given it's predecessor(s).
Totally unrelated but my disdain for the rise of skywalker made me appreciate TDKR more , because at least it was a decent movie to end a beloved franchise instead of an absolute piece of trash to conclude almost half a century of a beloved franchise.
Totally unrelated but my disdain for the rise of skywalker made me appreciate TDKR more , because at least it was a decent movie to end a beloved franchise instead of an absolute piece of trash to conclude almost half a century of a beloved franchise.
Dug it when I saw it, still digging after a recent rewatch of the trilogy. I know it has more problems than its predecessors but the nostalgia glasses always fog up with this one.
It's bad
It takes the worst parts of 1 and 2 and puts them on steroids
The dark knight is a good movie that takes itself too seriously but still works.
I'm not a fan overall of Nolan's Batman's they're hard to rewatch. Gimme Burton bat films
It takes the worst parts of 1 and 2 and puts them on steroids
The dark knight is a good movie that takes itself too seriously but still works.
I'm not a fan overall of Nolan's Batman's they're hard to rewatch. Gimme Burton bat films
