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Is he right?

  • Yes

    Votes: 246 79.1%
  • No

    Votes: 65 20.9%

  • Total voters
    311

fifthblight

Member
Apr 8, 2024
86
i've had my cat for a month and he's only just starting to spend prolonged periods of time in rooms i'm not currently in. he is so incredibly clingy and gets upset if i even leave to grab the mail. he thinks the sun shines out of every human's ass.
 

Zoe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,298
The way I see it, the biggest difference is that it's just harder to earn a cats affection and loyalty but it's absolutely doable and well worth it. Cats are just more independent, if they feel they're better off elsewhere and have that option they'll take it usually. They won't put up with the sort of bullshit many dogs will.

This cat thinks it's owner is drowning and is trying to save her.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT6XJhzykWw

My cat gets anxiety if we shower with the door closed. She wants to come in and stand guard, stationing herself right outside the stall facing the door, while we shower.
 

Therion

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,114
Isn't this paraphrasing something by Christopher Hitchens?
Edit: Found it, although I'm not entirely sure that he was the original source of the comparison.

"Owners of dogs will have noticed that, if you provide them with food and water and shelter and affection, they will think you are a god. Whereas owners of cats are compelled to realize that, if you provide them with food and water and shelter and affection, they draw the conclusion that they are god... Religion, then, partakes of equal elements of the canine and the feline. It exacts maximum servility and abjection, requiring you to regard yourself as conceived and born in sin and owing a duty to a stern creator. But in return, it places you at the center of the universe and assures you that you are the personal object of a heavenly plan."
 
He's right.

The domesticated dog is basically a wolf that has had their development stopped in puppy mode. They are permanent children bred to look up to humans as mommy and daddy.

The domesticated feline still sees themselves as a lion and top of the food chain. They have been bred to like humans just fine, but it is a relationship of equals / slight superior to inferior. (And on behalf of the lion looking down.)
 

Rune Walsh

Too many boners
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,043
My dog certainly acts as though I'm a deity. She rushes to see me when I get home and follows me everywhere. Although, most loyal followers don't pee on their god's rug.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,780
Domesticated pack animal vs solitary hunters who sleep during most of the day. I don't believe either is particularly religious.
When cats give you dead animals as presents, it doesn't mean they think you're god, it means they think you can't feed yourself.
 

W-00

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,458
It's really funny cats outside of kittens don't meow much to each other. Ours knows if he does, he'll get some pets or his food lol.
There's a feral cat who comes to my porch for food almost every night. Haven't managed to pet it. It eagerly approaches the door when I start to turn the knob, but runs at least ten feet away when it actually sees me. I often see it licking its lips when it's waiting for me to put the food down and go back inside.

Recently, I could swear that it's started to meow at me. It's quiet, and always a decent distance away, but I'm making progress.

I often wonder how that cat thinks of me.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,781
Neither animal is intelligent enough to conceptualize a god, so he's wrong in both instances.

Regardless, dogs have a high level of social intelligence in the context of interacting with humans when compared to every other mammal period. The textbook test is pointing- dogs understand what it means for a human being to point at something without any training. Not even Great Apes pass this test consistently, if at all, and certainly cats cannot. Anyone who's tried to tell their feline friend there's a treat right underneath their nose knows they don't get it.

It is that dearth in sociable skills that is going to result in different behaviors towards humans between the animals. Socialized dogs are more attuned to understanding what a trusted human wants them to do in order to extract a reward. As a result, dogs can learn a massive amount of commands with a high level of accuracy that is difficult if not impossible to reproduce in other animals. Cats instead have a different level of sociability and subsequently act more aloof as does any other animal, and their way of getting a human being to give them rewards merely relies on a different language; meowing, purring, enlarging the eyes. It's less about high-brow levels of manipulation and moreso that cats just cannot operate at the same level of communication and cooperation that dogs can.

The idea that dogs think humans are magic and that cats are somehow intelligent enough to opine significant superiority over a human being is just memes. It's simply not how these animals work.
 

Fuchsia

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,662
Some cats accidentally get the dog software and are the absolute best. I love those kinds of loving derpy cats.

This is also true. Sometimes they get the wrong firmware and those things ARE the best.

Other than the puppy type of cats, dogs win out most of the time.

I've just known too many asshole cats.
 

Shemhazai

Member
Aug 13, 2020
6,536
Nah, it's a misattribution of a cats inability to process anything beyond being a prick vs a dog's ability to understand the goddamn pecking order and knowing to be goddamn grateful for not having to go forage their own food.
 

fifthblight

Member
Apr 8, 2024
86
He's right.

The domesticated dog is basically a wolf that has had their development stopped in puppy mode. They are permanent children bred to look up to humans as mommy and daddy.

The domesticated feline still sees themselves as a lion and top of the food chain. They have been bred to like humans just fine, but it is a relationship of equals / slight superior to inferior. (And on behalf of the lion looking down.)

domestic cats also retain neotenic features and behaviors into adulthood, so this isn't exactly true. adult cats do not meow at one another, but kittens will meow at their mothers--and all cats will meow at humans. adult cats also remain extremely playful and curious because they have the energy to expend on games and exploration. cats will seek comfort from humans in stressful situations, same as a dog might. we bred both of these animals to be dependent on us, intentionally.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,780
All the talk about animals not understanding social cues, but we get humans assigning human traits to animals. Like your cat isn't "being a prick", you just don't understand why they are the way they are.
 

Ghost Rider

Member
Oct 27, 2017
862
As someone said, it's weird how much people project onto their pets. I get it, jokes are highly selective to work, but anyone that's ever had to deal with any number of small yappy dogs should be able to tell you about their wonderful qualities.

cats, like most domesticated animals, will pick up on how they are treated and react accordingly. If someone thinks cats are aloof and like to be alone, they treat them that way and then are shocked the cat acts that way. You take a cat a cat and treat it the way a lot of people treat dogs and guess what? It starts to act that way.

before my wife and I got married she got a cat (thinking it would make me like her more—silly, she needed zero help on that front) and then was upset that it hid in a basket under her bed all day. I asked her if she ever goes up and pulls it out to give him attention and treats. She laughed at me. I told her not only does that work, I could also teach him to fetch. That really got her laughing.

then he started fetching. She could not believe it. She would just say "but he's a cat, why does he fetch?" Because I taught him. Like I did with my own cats and dogs in my life. I told her it's not like I taught him to fly or something, just to bring back something I threw. She loved her. Her parents loved it. That cat was at the couch either on the arm of it or between people every night while people watched tv. He slept on the bathroom floors when she took a shower, begged at the table when we ate, and greeted us at the door whenever we came home.

It's not hard.

It reminds me of people who complain about kids acting certain ways as if the kids have fucking changed. Nope, it's the assholes raising them. Treat a kid like an accessory or attention getter for social media posts and they aren't going to be the same as if you treated them as a kid that should play and use their imagination.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,781
All the talk about animals not understanding social cues, but we get humans assigning human traits to animals. Like your cat isn't "being a prick", you just don't understand why they are the way they are.
To be fair, if you don't insult your pet, whether they're a dog or a cat, do you REALLY love them?
 

diablogg

Member
Oct 31, 2017
3,279
I don't know about the OP's point but I do find it funny when I come home when I get out of my car the neighbors cat runs over to me, rubs on my leg or my hand if I offer it and escorts me to my door then runs off, it's very weird lol.
 

TheBaldEmperor

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,849
So he and I had a discussion on how cats and dogs think, this is what he said

A dog thinks "These humans give me pets and lots of food. They must be God."

A cat thinks "These humans give me pets and lots of food. I must be God."

I was like "huh. That kinda is true."

Is he right?

No offense to your trainer but this sounds like something I read on Facebook 15 years ago.
 

bunbun777

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,808
Nw
Kirby is my best friend. Keep everything clean, play with them regularly, always fresh food and fresh water. He sleeps on my arm and always greets me when I get home. Sometimes he gives me a kiss. His brother Herge who's not with us anymore used to massage my feet and legs. At first i thought he was just kneeding like cats do but he would do one leg than the other, than a foot than another. I really miss that but not as much as I miss him.
 

Shin Kojima

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,006
Animals are too smart to believe in a God.
That said, I treat my cat like a God but she doesn't act like one. She's so sweet.
 

Skade

Member
Oct 28, 2017
8,885
Nah, i don't see cats considering themselves superior. They are more like friendly room mates (well, not always friendly, but that's case by case).

But dogs do seem to treat their owners are some sort of superior supreme being that they must serve or something.

Wich is why i prefer cats, more independant and more like "actual" friends.
 

br0ken_shad0w

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Oct 27, 2017
2,098
Washington
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Rated-G

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,348
Having both cats and dogs throughout my life, my experiences have only taught me that dogs have lax boundaries but respect yours, while cats have strict boundaries and absolutely do not respect yours. Cats also have the object permanence of an infant, and despite all of my animals coming from shelters, the cats are usually the ones with intense anxiety issues, destructive tendencies, random bouts of aggression, and little independence. I feel like I typically see cat people associate those traits with dogs.

I was also trying to find that tweet from recently that mentioned how cats either live like 25+ years with no issues, or have endocrine and urinary systems held together by twigs and tape with zero in between. Because that's also been true for me.
 
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Skade

Member
Oct 28, 2017
8,885
In some ways i think one can equate cats to teenagers : quite rebellious lazy fucks with big mood swings and fears and anxieties you don't get. But they do love you, they just don't want to show it much. (and can't concentrate on shit, unless it's something you don't get)

:p
 

Jakten

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,772
Devil World, Toronto
Not really no. All the cats and dogs I've had in my life have had very distinct personalities. Sure they were all excited to see food but there was way more to them than only that.

I had a friend who rescued pugs and those dogs acted far more like gods than any cat I've ever owned. Their mentality was "I am a god. You will pet me or else I will relentlessly pummel, growl, and jump on you, and if you get away I'll sneer at you and sneeze whenever I see you."
 
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