If we are talking about PC game store, I don't understand why "monopoly" is linked to "Epic" in the title.
The Epic Monopoly - How Epic Store Exclusives are bringing console wars to PC
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Epic is in the perfect position to offer more. Sadly they chose moneyhatting instead.
I know I didn't buy it at least and I never bought a COD again after this so some of us managed to keep to the principle. But a lot of people does not which is why companies still pull this shit.
I didn't post it in defence of what epic is doing but more of a resignation to the fact that I have been in (and lost) many such battles before including the famous horse armour. We certainly didn't stop micro transactions back then at least.
Well your posts are all clueless jumble. You've been proven wrong but are ignoring it.
Actually, yes, that is exactly what they are actively doing. They are creating a distribution monopoly for the titles for which they pay for exclusivity agreements.
That's what exclusive distribution is.
Yeah, no.
In fact, when I don't want Epic to succeed, it's exactly because of long-term strategic thinking regarding the quality and health of the PC platform for gamers -- and the "temporary inconvenience" is not playing Epic store exclusives.
If the Epic strategy succeeds it opens the door for a development of the PC marketplace in a direction which is ultimately worse for gamers, enthusiasts, and -- I'll happily argue in more depth -- even most mid-sized and indie developers.
Please do argue more in depth, I disagree with you but I enjoy hearing your side of it.
Because Epic Games and Valve are competing in the space of being a games store, and one way for a game store to differentiate itself is by selling different games. If one grocery store sold your favorite cereal and another one didn't, would the Cereal Eaters Rise Up and be collectively angry at Hypothetical Grocery Store #2? No! Because we seem to implicitly understand that two stores in the same business might not necessarily sell exactly the same products... until it becomes about video games, apparently.
It's all opinions in the end. Don't see where I've been proven wrong but if that helps you feel better then more power to you.
Some people take internet discussions so god damn seriously 0.o
Epic's being compared to a non gaming tech giant just breaking into the scene?
If you're saying they're using console war tactics then yes. If you're trying to excuse them as some fresh faced company then you couldn't be more wrong.
Dude, I literally quoted from your post...
You also wrote this:
People try to paint Epic as villainous for buying temporary exclusivity for a few games, but if you look at the bigger picture, it makes plenty of sense why they're doing it and how they're trying to create a more positive relationship between developers, distributors, and consumers.
Even if we ignore the toxic reactions from the consumers towards Epic, Deep Silver and 4A when the Metro Exodus exclusivity deal was announced, you really need to explain to me how these exclusivity deals are resulting in a more positive relationship between developers, distributors, and consumers. Because in my opinion, Epic's moneyhats go straight against this.
Don't get me wrong: I don't mind other stores, in fact I think we need them to get healthy competition. I also think Epic and Discord offering a lower cut than Steam is good for the industry. But I don't agree that paying devs to keep the most promising games away from competing storefronts is acceptable, let alone good for healthy competition. I also strongly disagree with some other points on Epic's list, like making user reviews opt-in, influencer bribing, no discovery algorithms, payment costs etc.
For everyone, what's the better deal for consumer? Store that lets you pay transaction fees? Such a nice feature, I'll let you pay for my rent then.
Except 1/3 of the entire steam userbase in China which is... wait for it.... locked out! :^)
I agree they could've absolutely gone that route, but I'm not convinced that would've been enough to have the millions of users steam has migrate over. As I said before, they have a benevolent monopoly on distribution, people are generally comfortable with steam and more importantly used to it.
Epic's strategy is aggressive because, I think, that's the only way to really make a dent on steams marketshare. Whether that's good or bad is yet to be seen.
Their primary business (before Fortnite at least) was engine/middleware/tools. I'm not excusing anything though, I just remember the same sort of criticism directed at Sony and Microsoft. All 3 are seen as buying their way into the industry by some.
I honestly don't understand what even the point is. I didn't go to the shop and bought 6 consoles. I downloaded free game platforms.
Edit: https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...nging-console-wars-to-pc.100286/post-18041327
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And how exactly does that benefits us? How are we as consumers getting better by having to visit two different stores, instead of being able to buy both products in the same store, if these stores aren't competing with better prices, features and policies?
Exclusives may force people into using another store than the one they prefer. But as long as this store isn't actually BETTER than the one they are already using, people won't switch to another stores for anything but exclusives. The Windows Store, Discord Store, uPlay and Origin have tried to get pc gamers in their store using exclusives, but no one is using these stores for anything they can get on Steam or GoG.
There goes again its just another launcher thingI honestly don't understand what even the point is.
If you dont understand is because you either didnt read anything about all of this or you are basically trolling
That single sentence presupposes ideas that misrepresent the whole discussion.
- "Because Epic Games and Valve are competing in the space of being a games store" -- this implies that it's only about the store, when in actuality it's about software platforms (which are, regardless of what this forum thinks, actually far more important than hardware platforms at this point. E.g. PS4 and XB1 are distinguished far more by the software they run than their hardware). In fact, as Steam shows well, a software platform is completely divorced from a "store", given that products running on that software platform can and are being sold on dozens of stores and distribution channels.
- "one way for a game store to differentiate itself is by selling different games" -- yes, but there are tons of ways for a software platform to differentiate itself from another software platform.
And many people are rightfully unhappy about that, because they appreciate the software platform aspects and/or community aspects and/or various distribution methods they get with Steam and don't get with EGS.
If that would help there would be far less people shitting up these threads with bullshit arguments they just pulled out of their arses.
I honestly don't understand it. Can you please explain it to me? It didn't feel like this when Ea's and Ubisoft's launched their own plataform.
I think a point that goes over peoples head a lot is that Epic payed to remove a game from a store that already had it up for pre-order for multiple months.
Like there's a difference between launching a game exclusively on a platform from the beginning and paying to have games removed from other storefronts.
Like there's a difference between launching a game exclusively on a platform from the beginning and paying to have games removed from other storefronts.
Gaming is somehow special and can NEVER be touched by the mechanisms of capitalism. /s
My favorite bit was trying to spin the EGS prices as a positive "lower price in one region!". Yeah while almost everyone else got actually fucked with the prices increasing and in reality Metro was available for cheaper even in the US through Razer game store (which is going down though). Next level spin, gotta give them that.
PC players are supposed to be cool with this apparently. Haha. Gotta fight that monopoly at all costs. Competition, am I right?
Maybe instead of shitposting you could have read the thread but anyways you are trolling
If you go back and look at posts at the time for each of these platform launches many of the same arguments are being made.
And those that pre-ordered Metro on Steam still received the game on Steam.
EA and Ubisoft did not actively pay multiple third parties to remove their games from Steam.
You're welcome.
(Also, and I never thought I'd say this, but Origin and especially Uplay are actually decent platforms compared to EGS)
"It's capitalism!!" is not a defense of an action or an argument for why anyone should support it. No one complains that Epic's actions are anti-capitalistic.
You create a monopoly on distribution for the given time period. Seriously, that's the entire point.
EA or Ubisoft have never paid 3rd party devs or publishers to pull their games away from Steam like two weeks before the release.
And even that argument is false. Before Epic's moneyhat, Metro Exodus was sold at $34.99 at several keysellers. That's still a lot cheaper than $49.99 in Epic's Store.
Not just steam though, games have been pulled everywhere. Like The Walking Dead from GOG too. And then there's the legit key retailers of course which are greatly affected without Steam keys to sell.
man if only you were in a place that you could read all the answers to your questions
if only
I'm not shit posting. I'm not being aggressive like you are. I'm genuinely intrigued by this.
I'm probably naive or whatever but I can't find a single way the presence of Epic's store and the way they got Metro exclusivity, impacts me negatively, as a consumer.
But I guess you can't be arsed to have a civil conversation about this so. Anyway, it's your prerogative and your right so, no worries.
I mean, a big issue of EGS is that it launched (and continues to be) in a deplorable state. It launched in a worse state than Steam did more than 10 years ago.
It should have launched in a similar state to Origin did, but instead we have a store that even 3 months after launch still doesnt have an build-in search function (you can use ctrl+f, but that is a shit way of searching through a shop).
It should have launched in a similar state to Origin did, but instead we have a store that even 3 months after launch still doesnt have an build-in search function (you can use ctrl+f, but that is a shit way of searching through a shop).
That isn't. People have explained their issues.
People get banned in technical threads for shitposts of things like "works for me", clearly the point in to dismiss the concerns of people that have taken the time to discuss their problems.
That shit doesn't add anything to the discussion, just noise at this point.
I'll head back in the thread, it's long as fuck so, if you remember specific posts i'd be really grateful if you linked them or quoted them. Thanks.
Bullshit.
If you actually cared, you'd have read the thread. And only commented once you actually understood what people's problems were.
Yes, but for some reason, EPIC is being demonized for doing what literally every
You are intrigued but you choose to ignore the thread, weird
I've been going in circles with these people for like 12 hours. best just to not engage because they will eat you alive to defend valve. this will be my last post on this topic
lol seriously consider leaving EGS threads alone in the future. You can keep your "got mine, fuck you" attitude.
It may not impact you but I can not play the game as long as it is exclusive to the EGS!
What exactly has Steam gotten away with?
Edit: Nevermind. I just saw that you only post in Epic store threads. Already know what you are going to say. Not worth it.