And while I get there's a ton of stage setting right now I feel like a lot of the characterization from the Claremont/lobdell days is falling by the wayside in service of a grand narrative. I'm on board but I think it will turn off a lot of casuals like some folks earlier in the thread.
He is a worldmindManmademan I've been following this thread since the start of the run and I've just got to ask:
How the fuck do you know and retain all this inane comic book stuff?
What are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
Read PoX 2, enjoyed it, I like the reframe of mutant biological evolution vs humans to squarely include ai/machine evolution as an alternate or inevitable branch of human mutation. It's certainly a more modern take than just biology.
I did a reread ahead of this issue, popped into my head wondering if the implication of Moira XI is that she dies young thus preventing reincarnation. She already. Got the long happy life in Moira 1, so unless Destiny is bullshitting the implication seems to be Moira XI dies young. Unless maybe all the cosmic stuff means Moira XI is reborn as some immortal starchild with 1000 years of knowledge or something.
Mike Carey's X-men Legacy is pretty good and it was also name checked by Hickman before his run started.What are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
What are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
What are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
What are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
Some great recommendations already. I would also check out Wolverine And The X-Men by Jason Aaron/Chris Bachalo.
Some great recommendations already. I would also check out Wolverine And The X-Men by Jason Aaron/Chris Bachalo.
Jason Aaron's X-Men was probably my favorite run of the last ten years. I need to get around to his solo Wolverine run.I see you too are a man of taste.
May I also recommend Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine?
I was reading an article earlier tonight suggesting that Magneto, Wolverine and Xorn in the Year 100 timeline might be second generation chimeras, who were grown using samples of two mutants with similar powers. The main argument that they made in favor of this theory was that Wolverine's speech patterns and word choices were more in line with Sabretooth than with Logan.
Probably because if Rogers or Stark were consistent writers would never be able to use sentinels anymoreThats the thing- the Sentinel program isn't confidential at all. Its an open secret who is making those, and Maria Hill freely admitted it when cyclops confronted her during Uncanny.
Edit: this also ignores the sentinel squad ONE stuff proposed by Val cooper. Not a secret, public knowledge.
If maria knows and is open about shield's role in their manufacture, then Stark knows, because stark was also a director. There is also NO WAY Rogers also doesn't know, he was a Shield Division Chief during the old man rogers era.
Panther absolutely knows, his entire schtick is knowing exactly what the US government is doing and being better at it.
The entire upper eschelon of the Avengers has been hip deep in what Shield has done for a very long time. None of them have bothered to intervene in the Sentinel program or even raise it as an issue. This is particularly inexcusable for Rogers (who formed the unity squad to improve human/mutant/inhuman relations) and Panther who is married to storm.
Its a very strange situation that marvel ignores but does not address.
Probably because if Rogers or Stark were consistent writers would never be able to use sentinels anymore
Though Stark would have made Iron Man Sentients to fight Kaiju
I can see Black Panther not really caring about other countries
X-Men RedWhat are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
X-Men Red
Si Spurrier's Legacy
All New X-Men Vol 1
Uncanny X-Men Vol 2
the recent (and far too short) X-men Red looked like it was actually going to be touching on this, one of its core team was a mutant from Wakanda, whose mother has effectively bullied him into hating his mutation and psychologically repressing it.Probably because if Rogers or Stark were consistent writers would never be able to use sentinels anymore
Though Stark would have made Iron Man Sentients to fight Kaiju
I can see Black Panther not really caring about other countries particularly Priest Black Panther though it's weird Wakanda doesn't seem to have any real mutant population and I always don't get why
Vibranium mutants don't count
the recent (and far too short) X-men Red looked like it was actually going to be touching on this, one of its core team was a mutant from Wakanda, whose mother has effectively bullied him into hating his mutation and psychologically repressing it.
It never really extended to show whether this is in any way the norm for mutants in Wakanda.
Remender's X-ForceWhat are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
In hindsight, they should have let X-Men Red and the other colour books continue. Uncanny turned out to be filler and Age of X was a sales failure.the recent (and far too short) X-men Red looked like it was actually going to be touching on this, one of its core team was a mutant from Wakanda, whose mother has effectively bullied him into hating his mutation and psychologically repressing it.
It never really extended to show whether this is in any way the norm for mutants in Wakanda.
In hindsight, they should have let X-Men Red and the other colour books continue. Uncanny turned out to be filler and Age of X was a sales failure.
What happened in AoX?Can't say i disagree. Age of Xman was a terrible, pointless event. What were they thinking?
Seriously?IIRC Xmen: Red was always going to be a series with a limited shelf life. There's a lot that it could have expanded on but that was never actually the plan for it.
Astonishing Xmen getting cut off at the knees in the middle of the run with the cast replaced by a wacky Havok having misadventures is similarly REALLY confusing.
Remember Secret Wars?
Seriously?
thats just....confusing.
Being cut short because of editorial bullshit i get, it sucks but it happens all the time, but being deliberately truncated is just bizarre.
What are the best/key X-Men runs post-Morrison, with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing (which I've already read)? This isn't to catch up for Hickman since I'm already current on HoX/PoX. I've just never read read much of X-Menl after 2005 for whatever reason. Looking for stuff that is either pretty good or important for the key events happening.
And you don't need to recommend Uncanny X-Force- I already own it and will certainly read it in the near future. I've also got an MU subscription so I'm not worried about cost either.
Literally nothing. Event starts with X-man "killing" just about all relevant X-men, they vanish from the world for months (?).
They were shuffled into an alternate plane of existence that X-man created, which was a mutant paradise (no humans existed in that reality- everyone had x-genes activated though a plot device I can't recall at present) EXCEPT...
no interpersonal relationships of any kind were allowed- parent/child, sibling/sibling/, romantic partner/romantic partner. Why? Because Nate Grey inexplicably doesn't understand them or think they're necessary.
This obviously wasn't sustainable, people broke the rules constantly and had to be mentally "reset" by X-man. The resets were (predictably) imperfect, which caused a lot of drama and when the entire thing fell apart (as you would expect it to) everyone was upset.
Apocalypse was bizarrely cast as a hippie/commune type leader promising everyone "free love" (instead of genocide) but was eventually revealed to have been faking the whole thing because Nate Grey decided he needed a villain for that world, Apocalypse was it, and cast him in that role. Apocalypse is one of a handful of people fully aware of what that world was (nate grey, legion, Glob Herman being others) and was just playing along to get along- and was given a bizarre redemption arc where he claims to have learned to love and isn't a villain anymore.
It's quite possibly the only development out of that arc I expect to have any consequences and it is TERRIBLE. It's not quite down there in the basement with AXIS but it's very, very close. The entire event and the spinoff books it created are a complete waste of time. Don't buy them, don't read them.
The Peter David X factor run featuring Maddrox is really good as well but not sure if it's post Morrison.
Literally nothing. Event starts with X-man "killing" just about all relevant X-men, they vanish from the world for months (?).
They were shuffled into an alternate plane of existence that X-man created, which was a mutant paradise (no humans existed in that reality- everyone had x-genes activated though a plot device I can't recall at present) EXCEPT...
no interpersonal relationships of any kind were allowed- parent/child, sibling/sibling/, romantic partner/romantic partner. Why? Because Nate Grey inexplicably doesn't understand them or think they're necessary.
This obviously wasn't sustainable, people broke the rules constantly and had to be mentally "reset" by X-man. The resets were (predictably) imperfect, which caused a lot of drama and when the entire thing fell apart (as you would expect it to) everyone was upset.
Apocalypse was bizarrely cast as a hippie/commune type leader promising everyone "free love" (instead of genocide) but was eventually revealed to have been faking the whole thing because Nate Grey decided he needed a villain for that world, Apocalypse was it, and cast him in that role. Apocalypse is one of a handful of people fully aware of what that world was (nate grey, legion, Glob Herman being others) and was just playing along to get along- and was given a bizarre redemption arc where he claims to have learned to love and isn't a villain anymore.
It's quite possibly the only development out of that arc I expect to have any consequences and it is TERRIBLE. It's not quite down there in the basement with AXIS but it's very, very close. The entire event and the spinoff books it created are a complete waste of time. Don't buy them, don't read them.
Okay, so it's a bad take on the House of M type story situation. Or some MARVEL REBORN shit.
but Apocalypse faking his hippie rebellion in paradise helping turn him is amazing, I don't give a fuck, fuck you all, I will defend that idea to my core.
"That seed" again makes me think Apocalypse is referring to the material used to make Future Wolvie.
Manmademan I've been following this thread since the start of the run and I've just got to ask:
How the fuck do you know and retain all this inane comic book stuff?
I'd also recommend Spurrier's X-Force. While it's messier and less successful than his Legacy run was, it has a great cast and delves into some fascinating concepts.
I just want you to know you're the reason I haven't picked up a X-men book in awhile. It all sounds bad