If you've seen Splash Wave's Streets of Rage 2 and Sonic 2 videos, you know what to expect: probably the best "making of" videos on Youtube.
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The making of Sonic 3 & Knuckles
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The entire history of Sega Technical Institute is fascinating; there's a good 2 hour documentary to be made there.
What a fantastic watch. Sonic 3 & Knuckles is my favorite platformer of all-time, so anytime it gets some attention, I'm there. Yuji Naka is my favorite developer too, so that's was interesting learning about some of his programming tricks in regards to blue spheres.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-making-of-sonic-3-knuckles-a-new-video-from-splash-wave.85751/
Seems mine went up earlier than yours mate ;P
Mods can just merge the threads. The current search function is busted.
Anyways the video was great. S3&K is IMO the best game of 16-bit gen far as the SNES and MD are concerned.
Seems mine went up earlier than yours mate ;P
Mods can just merge the threads. The current search function is busted.
Anyways the video was great. S3&K is IMO the best game of 16-bit gen far as the SNES and MD are concerned.
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Huh indeed it was. I did a search in the first 2 pages but missed it I guess.
My bad~
Good little mini-doc. I loved Sonic 3 to pieces, but I never cared as much for S&K's zones. I actually liked the shorter length compared to 2 as well. I wonder how I would have felt if it was released as all one game. Maybe if they picked like the best eight zones from the whole thing.
S&K is basically the original DLCquel, minus the discount price.
S&K is basically the original DLCquel, minus the discount price.
Not watched a Splash Wave doc before, so clearly I have been living the wrong life. The production footage alone is treasure unbenownst to me.
Clearing up the Michael Jackson stuff once and for all in there feels like I just exorcised a 24 year old ghost.
Clearing up the Michael Jackson stuff once and for all in there feels like I just exorcised a 24 year old ghost.
I mean, Sonic as a whole has some very evident dragon ball inspiration, like the chaos emeralds/dragon balls or super sonic/ssj goku. I'm not surprised he made blue sphere after DBZ's first ending or perhaps King Kai's planet
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Been waiting for this one.
Despite being my favourite game, i don't know much about the developement of it more than that they had to split the game in two and the MJ-stuff. This will be interesting.
Despite being my favourite game, i don't know much about the developement of it more than that they had to split the game in two and the MJ-stuff. This will be interesting.
Honestly the whole Lock-On idea was executed really well. It's easily one of the slickest ways I've ever seen a developer handle a behind-schedule game.
Wow, fantastic video. I was a huge Sega fanboy in the early to mid 90's so I'm always very interested in this stuff.
I wasn't even mad. It became somewhat obvious when the sound test code made waves, The stage select showed some levels not present in 3, and their music was completely finished.
But there was a 6 month gap, and honestly Sonic 3 was kinda meaty even though 6 zones sound short and the launch base boss wasn't really epic. I played tons of time attack, and I pretty much loved every single zone in 3. I played this game far more than Sonic 2. And that music, the Ice Cap zone is legendary.
S3K was just icing on the cake, stand alone it was weaker (no time attack etc), but locked on with 3 it became my fave 2D platform game ever. And it gave me an excuse to finish Sonic 2 again, with Knuckles. Special stages with sonic 1 cart was a nice time sink too.
I can't watch it at work. Does it mention the original isometric plans, Brad Buxer/Jetzons stuff, or how the devs looked through books of animals for hours before they decided what animal to make Knuckles?
I was wondering the other day what Sonic 3 would have been like if they had released it for the Sega CD, had the system been more popular. The deadline would have still been an issue but they obviously wouldn't have been restricted by the price of a 32mb cartridge if they could use the CD format, and it would have been great to hear Micheal Jackson's tunes with Redbook audio (though the allegations might have still been an issue for Sega). Plus, I feel like they only scratched the surface of the Sega CD's capabilities with Sonic CD.
At the very least, I would love a remaster of Sonic 3 & Knuckles in the vain of Sonic Mania. Rework some of the stages and graphics, remix the music maybe add hand drawn intro/outro animations and call it something new like Sonic 3 Special Edition or something.
At the very least, I would love a remaster of Sonic 3 & Knuckles in the vain of Sonic Mania. Rework some of the stages and graphics, remix the music maybe add hand drawn intro/outro animations and call it something new like Sonic 3 Special Edition or something.
Yep. STI was always the true Sonic Team. Sega of Japan's upper management has almost always been out of touch it seems.
I guess it could be viewed that Sonic 3 goes against the grain of the "established" Sonic art style. Sonic 2's sprites are an evolution of the Sonic 1/CD sprites, whereas Sonic 3's are a completely different direction.
Sonic 3's sprites also have that pseudo-CG look to them, whereas Sonic 2's sprites stay true to the way Sonic was rendered in promotional art. Sonic 3's sprites are probably viewed as an artistic dead end, given that a "nicer version" of the Sonic 3 sprite is just pre-rendering actual CG. The Sonic 2 sprite let them lean in to more cartoony animations and stronger stylization.
This is probably the reason. I never liked the soft fuzzy look of the Sonic 3 sprites.
Because Sonic 3 sprites were ugly and they deserve to be forgotten. I guess it was an attempt to make american sonic canon or something, never liked it and I'm glad they went with the original design for Mania
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I guess I can agree with this...
It pains me to say this but this is correct. Sonic 3 & K is nearly perfect, but it's sprite work on the main cast is so bad.
There's an S3K romhack that I was playing a while back that let you use sonic 2 sprites and man...just aesthetically, it's so much better.
Flat design is in. Sonic 3 design is a skeumorphic imitation of a 3D object, not authentically digital.
j/k
(I always liked the Sonic 3 sprite tho... and I still have a soft spot for when subtly 3D renderizing everything was a shorthand for cutting edge).
I'd have to rewatch it but I don't think that's what was said? As far as I've been aware, Sonic 2 & Knuckles works by S&K loading Sonic 2's level and music data and then patching in a few places for Knuckles to get to (Chemical Plant Act 1, for instance).
All of these games were built on top of each other, so it's not a stretch for S&K's engine to have some sort of backwards compatibility with Sonic 2's data, it just needed a way to load it.
Expansions were a common thing long before S&K, although not on consoles. It was definitely a new and unique thing to do this with a cartridge. So much so, in fact, that it was never done again. Sega did a lot of things back then that made no financial sense but were cool and/or unique.
From the Sega Retro wiki:
Pretty much, yeah.
