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The Man Who Killed Google Search
- Thread starter makonero
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As Cory Doctorow notes, our era is the Enshittocene, and we're waist deep in The Great Enshittening, in which all the tech companies are enshittifying at the same time.
Yeah, his most recent article in the Financial Times was great. I wish it kept going because it was so entertaining and yet so spot on in terms of analysis.
For real. Someone needs to leak the recipe for the 'fail upward' elixir so the rest of us can benefit too.
Wow. 😅
This is Ed all over. Sometimes he is so clear on his point, with absolute clarity and evidence, and then goes on a huge rant that dilutes his point. I'd love for him to be more direct and stick to the message.
His recent podcast about growth is so, so illuminating on breaking down the issues with the tech sector today - including Google chasing growth above all. But I had to laugh when the last 10 mins of the podcast is a huge Ed rant while the guest says nothing. The guest maybe speaks for 25% of the runtime of the whole podcast.
Most people I know who prefer bing have used it for years solely due to it's image search being great for porn.
I read this thread and try to sincerely grasp what is so bad about Google - just to realize three things.
1. I rarely use google except for very specific things - which is mostly "safe"
2. I'm swedish and searching in swedish narrows the results down to a massive degree
3. I instinctively scroll down past the sponsored links and such - a thing i find most people don't.
Also - if shopping online i visit specific stores, i don't use google
1. I rarely use google except for very specific things - which is mostly "safe"
2. I'm swedish and searching in swedish narrows the results down to a massive degree
3. I instinctively scroll down past the sponsored links and such - a thing i find most people don't.
Also - if shopping online i visit specific stores, i don't use google
Does Jeeves look like the kinda guy who would just tell lies???
Just beware, Bing isn't immune to shitty things, either. I damn near got scammed after searching for the manufacturer's website for a workbench I wanted to buy. First result was an ad or promoted result or whatever, but the website name and everything looked totally legit. Wasn't until right as I was about to checkout that I realized something looked fishy, went back and yeah, the official manufacturer's website is a different name and the one I was on had been linked to multiple scams that either didn't fulfill orders at all, or sent the wrong items. But, it was (and still is!) promoted by Bing when you search that particular manufacturer's name.
I tried to listen to his podcast and it was unlistenable. He's a hot take machine and argues with his guests if they disagree with him, but not in a good way.
Even though Google isn't great, I've said it before but even Bing isn't without its major faults. It has been replacing my own descriptions or excerpts of my page with AI nonsense
Here's a recent example
This stuff is going to kill websites. I have reported it where I can but eesh
Here's a recent example
This stuff is going to kill websites. I have reported it where I can but eesh
holy shitEven though Google isn't great, I've said it before but even Bing isn't without its major faults. It has been replacing my own descriptions or excerpts of my page with AI nonsense
Here's a recent example
This stuff is going to kill websites. I have reported it where I can but eesh
whenever I use it now it takes a second to load a generated "answer" instead of just showing the results lol
What the fuck. I hate generative AI so much.Even though Google isn't great, I've said it before but even Bing isn't without its major faults. It has been replacing my own descriptions or excerpts of my page with AI nonsense
Here's a recent example
This stuff is going to kill websites. I have reported it where I can but eesh
You can't really trust the highly ranked sources in Google right now, but the average internet user doesn't give a fuck
I just tested it with 2 searches i knew the answers and I am pleasantly surprised. It's basically a google search + a LLM analysis on-top of that and a summary. Google tries to do the same but the result is not as good IMHO.
I asked what the best value french door refrigerator was and it gave me the same answer I got after 30 minutes of research. (GE)
I asked if the 4080 was a good value and it said no, which is also correct (it's the worst value of all the 40X0 cards).
It appears that if you register you can use a more powerful model than the regular in-house 70B parameter model which I used in the above searches.
Yeah, it's generally better, but still has major kinks. I asked it something similar - to help me find an office chair that would look good in a dining room (which is where I work). It gave me a couple recommendations that were solid, but then it also recommended I go to a local restaurant because they have a nice dining room. So yeah, context is still iffy, but it'll get there. It is much better than Gemini, as you mentioned.
"Thank you for allowing me to interview for the position of ship captian. On my previous charter, i drilled holes in the hull of the ship, lit the deck on fire, and then rammed it into an iceberg. I would like to bring my expertise to your company."
"You're hired"
"You're hired"
Just like Boeing merging with MD and keeping the execs that flew that company into the ground, businesses seem to have no issue seeing a competitor implode and think we should give the people who did that a prominent place in our midst.
Wtf, this AI shit is crazy, feels like one of those hate sites wrote all of this lmao. Shows how easy it is to sway AI, and is in no way unbias or neutral. Sigh.Used perplexity for the first time. Perplexity is super salty about getting banner from here. Loool
I thought it reads like half the posts in the constructive criticism thread lol
All searches seem like garbage now. Ebay being the most recent one to be added to the trash pile.
Search for a very specific printer model to directly replace the one you already have? Great, here are 50 printers none of which match your request or model number.
Search for Samsung chrome book? Here's any chromebook we have completely unfiltered.
Always have to use "advanced search" for it to just do what I asked it to
Search for a very specific printer model to directly replace the one you already have? Great, here are 50 printers none of which match your request or model number.
Search for Samsung chrome book? Here's any chromebook we have completely unfiltered.
Always have to use "advanced search" for it to just do what I asked it to
boolean search operators don't really work on google anymore huh?
+ "quotes" was so good (as well as minsu -)
+ "quotes" was so good (as well as minsu -)
The plus operator was killed off when Google needed it for Google Plus, their now-defunct social network.
I've been very happy with DuckDuckGo for a few years now. It's simple and usable.
I'm surprised that Google would respond, but it makes sense. We all know Google search sucks now, we all need to understand why, so something like this would of course gain traction.
Very interested article in both content and editorialism there towards the end.
Someone is really out to get that Gomes guy. Check out his Wikipedia entry.......
Someone is really out to get that Gomes guy. Check out his Wikipedia entry.......
and now in today's letter:
Like I said, the bits about McKinsey and Purdue Pharma from last week were about his larger theme. It's worthwhile to think about why Google search has been wrecked and why IG has been made much worse and why Humane built an AI pin that sucks and why Altman's all hype and no substance. And also , Purdue basically creating the opioid crisis for profit.
But it's arguably more worthwhile to see all these things as facets of the same problem. If you buy that they are all part of the same problem, anyways.
I honestly don't know what you're referring to. There is no entry for Ben Gomes at Wikipedia right now. The entry for Prabhakar Raghavan has been the site of a low level edit war since Zitron's post though.
Searching for his name on Wikipedia brings up as the first result the article for "Toilet meal." Seems like malicious SEO, but I could be wrong.
It could also be something to do with how "toilet meal" is a Japanese term that's pronounced "benjo-meshi", which kinda looks like "Ben Gomes"?