FTC going with the nuclear option because they think MS is going with the nuclear optionWait what happened today? was CAT in favor of the CMA seemingly or something? I was out
FTC going with the nuclear option because they think MS is going with the nuclear optionWait what happened today? was CAT in favor of the CMA seemingly or something? I was out
My understanding was that the FTC and CMA were coordinating and it's in the best interest of the CMA and their case that the FTC stall. The FTC doesn't stand a chance in court so they were stalling and the CMA was happy to not be the only one that didn't approve the deal. By the FTC filing the injunction they sped up the situation where the CMA is left as the only regulator blocking the deal.
if they fail to get the preliminary injunction and FTC dropsMy understanding was that the FTC and CMA were coordinating and it's in the best interest of the CMA and their case that the FTC stall. The FTC doesn't stand a chance in court so they were stalling and the CMA was happy to not be the only one that didn't approve the deal. By the FTC filing the injunction they sped up the situation where the CMA is left as the only regulator blocking the deal.
I don't think the injunction affects the CMA case either, but if by chance it does since, we've already heard the judge's opinion on the matter, I'd almost think it as a negative. If the FTC was trying to influence the CAT, this is definitely not the way.To play the ball for a moment, Microsoft's route to closure may not be the same as Microsoft's route to successful appeal. We know they've asked lawyers to look into how to close without successful appeal. So maybe they're very confident they'll win on appeals and not have to deal with that stuff - or an unwind if it failed - or maybe they're not very confident about the appeals but want to try to close anyway and deal with side stepping the need to successful appeal via these other routes.
But my point is, merely, none of that is any more incredible than the idea that the FTC has thrown themselves into this situation because they weren't happy with the CMA's case hearings. IMO it's way too premature for anyone to be doing any such drastic moves based on how the CMA process is going, when it's barely gotten going, so I was addressing the idea of this being a read on the CMA process with some counter questions. Again though, I don't actually think any of this has anything to do with the CMA process specifically or how it's played out so far.
Events have rather taken over - the FTC is filing an injunction to block the deal.
Fixed.FTC going with the desperate option because they think MS is going with the nuclear option
yea thats more appropriate, I guess xDI don't think the injunction affects the CMA case either, but if by chance it does since, we've already heard the judge's opinion on the matter, I'd almost think it as a negative. If the FTC was trying to influence the CAT, this is definitely not the way.
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I don't think the injunction effects the CMA case either, but if by chance it does since, we've already heard the judge's opinion on the matter, I'd almost think it as a negative. If the FTC was trying to influence the CAT, this is definitely not the way.
What happens then in such a case? Not us based so learning this stuff as the trainride goes :DAs much as I personally don't wish for it to happen, it's important to remember there's always the chance the FTC does get the preliminary injunction. It isn't a sure thing for it to fail.
They have to prove immediate harm. It's 100 percent going to fail.As much as I personally don't wish for it to happen, it's important to remember there's always the chance the FTC does get the preliminary injunction. It isn't a sure thing for it to fail.
Abuse of process? The ability to file an injunction is there for a reason. lolso apparently the FTC is trying to get an injunction that lasts only to their in house trial
would any judge ever go for that? that seems like an abuse of process.
I mean even liberal SCOTUS judges are getting wary of these type of moves. There is regulating and then there is just playing games but with power behind it.so apparently the FTC is trying to get an injunction that lasts only to their in house trial
would any judge ever go for that? that seems like an abuse of process.
The FTC saw Microsoft having some positive momentum after yesterday's showcase and said "Nah"
I thought Raven owned the IP.
What happens then in such a case? Not us based so learning this stuff as the trainride goes :D
Well yeah, anyone on this forum could technically file an injunction at any time ala "gamers lawsuit". Doesn't mean a judge will be happy with the filing though.Abuse of process? The ability to file an injunction is there for a reason. lol
Has there been any statement from Microsoft yet? I'm assuming we'll get "we welcome this move by FTC" kinda press release.
Has there been any statement from Microsoft yet? I'm assuming we'll get "we welcome this move by FTC" kinda press release.
😂 agreedRight when you think a quiet period is coming up, something happens that brings it to a whole other level. What a ride.
They have to prove immediate harm. It's 100 percent going to fail.
Lina Kahn has a philosophy of trying even when failure is 100%. She doesn't want to be deterred and also basically show the FTC needs more powers.You say this, but they clearly think they have a chance or they wouldn't be attempting it.
It's not abuse, it's using tools at their disposal.Well yeah, anyone on this forum could technically file an injunction at any time ala "gamers lawsuit". Doesn't mean a judge will be happy with the filing though.
If they do and that happens it's game over for the FTC. LolIf the FTC gets the same judge as the gamer lawsuit and they still deny the TRO lol
Lina Kahn has a philosophy of trying even when failure is 100%.
FTC Will Seek to Keep Microsoft From Closing Activision Deal
The Federal Trade Commission plans to sue Microsoft Corp. in federal court Monday to block the company from closing its $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard Inc, according to a person familiar with the matter.www.bloomberg.com
The Federal Trade Commission plans to sue Microsoft Corp. in federal court Monday to block the company from closing its $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard Inc, according to a person familiar with the matter.
The FTC plans to seek a court order blocking the transaction until the agency's in-house court has a chance to rule on the deal, according to the person, who asked not to be named discussing the agency's plans. A trial before the agency's court is scheduled to begin in August.
Lol, Smith giggling silently"We welcome the opportunity to present our case in federal court," Microsoft President Brad Smith said. "We believe accelerating the legal process in the U.S will ultimately bring more choice and competition to the market."
from:
FTC will try to block Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard
The FTC had already sued to block the $68.7 billion acquisition, choosing to bring the case before its internal administrative law judge.www.cnbc.com
I think you misunderstood the original poster you replied to, it wasn't the injunction or its process. It was the time period.
There's a comment in the CNBC article, and yeah, it's basically that:
"Microsoft told CNBC it would welcome the injunction as it would bring the case before a federal judge faster."
edit - And DopeyFish has a better comment above ^
"We welcome the opportunity to present our case in federal court," Microsoft President Brad Smith said. "We believe accelerating the legal process in the U.S will ultimately bring more choice and competition to the market."
from:
FTC will try to block Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard
The FTC had already sued to block the $68.7 billion acquisition, choosing to bring the case before its internal administrative law judge.www.cnbc.com
That's not accurate. They're doing it because it feels like they have to. History shows you why they're doing this, and how it goes for them when they do. They're a mere annoyance.You say this, but they clearly think they have a chance or they wouldn't be attempting it.
This looks like the FTC is panicked over MLex reports, and as a result, they want to file injunction as a delay tactic to prevent Microsoft from closing the deal in their current expiration date. It's also possible that they are not impressed by the CMA potentially not being able to stop the deal completely, so they'll take matters in their own hands to try to give points and moral victories for Lina Khan by "standing up to big tech". Overall, their operations are just very paranoid and I don't think they are acting professional. Even if they get their requested injunction, the court rulings are favorable to Microsoft's end.What the big question is, is why the hell would the FTC play this card when everything was currently going according to plan. Microsoft was forced into a decision of extend it or drop it, everything was scheduled to go through their Administrative Court, which rules in favour of them most of the time, and who they can override if they dont like their decision, and they had all the time in the world to delay delay delay.
So why would they play this card now and now not say closer to the completion of the UK's CAT? Or hell, even after CAT since it would be unlikely that CAT completely overturns everything instead of just sending it back to the CMA?
Why would the FTC pick this fight earlier than they had to? If it happens, Its incredibly suspect.
So either MS is confident to close despite CMA or MS is throwing a hailmary before the last date of closure.It also feels like ABK could be putting some pressure on MS to close suddenly in the US.
What does that materially mean though?It also feels like ABK could be putting some pressure on MS to close suddenly in the US.
Cant believe I forgot who Raven is with these days, shame on me xDWhich Microsoft would then own, which was the joke there lol
Like me trying out for varsity
To be fair, the FTC thought they had a case too when they lost the last few times in court xDYou say this, but they clearly think they have a chance or they wouldn't be attempting it.
Still don't see abuse of process. The process doesn't mandate them to file anything early, as long as it's done within the legal timeframe.I think you misunderstood the original poster you replied to, it wasn't the injunction or its process. It was the time period.
That's not accurate. They're doing it because it feels like they have to. History shows you why they're doing this, and how it goes for them when they do. They're a mere annoyance.
Nothing's ever 100% certainty in court.You're making assumptions without us yet knowing why they're taking this action when they are.
If Microsoft has actually signalled to them they're attempting to close, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.
In any case, I don't think there's grounds to state this is 100% going to fail. Highly likely to fail, sure. And this is what I've seen most experts state. But saying it's a 100% certainty is not what I've seen most experts express.
It's kind of like a rich person going to a food bank, it's not illegal, but it's clearly an abuse of what the system is supposed to be for.Still don't see abuse of process. The process doesn't mandate them to file anything early, as long as it's done within the legal timeframe.
Terrible comparison. It's more like, knowing you're going to block it from the start, but waiting until the last minute to do so, which is perfectly fine.It's kind of like a rich person going to a food bank, it's not illegal, but it's clearly an abuse of what the system is supposed to be for.