Yep. Lina's actions are politically motivated, as are Kevin's.
One is a Republican politician. Lina Khan is not supposed to be a supporter of the Democrats but a professional with some autonomy.Yep. Lina's actions are politically motivated, as are Kevin's.
Correct. That is the fundamental problem with the FTC, but it's being run exactly how Biden wants it to be.One is a Republican politician. Lina Khan is not supposed to be a supporter of the Democrats but a professional with some autonomy.
Yes.Microsoft may abandon Activision merger if federal judge grants FTC request
Microsoft and Activision have indicated that they may abandon their proposed $68.7 billion merger if federal courts grant FTC a preliminary injunction.www.tweaktown.com
Has this been discussed?
Microsoft may abandon Activision merger if federal judge grants FTC request
Microsoft and Activision have indicated that they may abandon their proposed $68.7 billion merger if federal courts grant FTC a preliminary injunction.www.tweaktown.com
Has this been discussed?
Microsoft may abandon Activision merger if federal judge grants FTC request
Microsoft and Activision have indicated that they may abandon their proposed $68.7 billion merger if federal courts grant FTC a preliminary injunction.www.tweaktown.com
Has this been discussed?
The cma approved Amazon buying dj roomba today. The responses to the cma's tweet about this are all clown emojis. Lol.
View: https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1669697448892153862?s=46&t=ZoPGhuPgpJrlsmNpBCcMHA
I really think this is a non-issue. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the "High end console market" is a thing. I just don't think this paper really matters. It is my understanding that the PS4 was first released November 15, 2013 and The XBox One was first released November 22, 2013, and the switch was released March 3, 2017. Someone can double check my googling. So this would leave us with a console market of... Xbox 360, PS3 and the Wii U that would have been in the market by the time this paper was written.The FTC expert witness wrote a paper in 2013 that includes Nintendo in the console market.
Joost Rietveld has a tweet about it. I believe he was the one that submitted something to the CMA about his thoughts on cloud gaming. Can't link it due to him responding to Florian and this site blocking him.
Link to the paper
So they've approved the iRobot merger with a picture of a Roborock? I'm pretty sure iRobot don't use Lidar.
Just goes to show how unprofessional they are as an outfit.
50% imoSo for someone who sees the weekly headlines and back-and-forth, is there a "confidence percentage" of this going through? Like a rough estimate? Kinda hard to extrapolate at this point.
Toss a coin IMOSo for someone who sees the weekly headlines and back-and-forth, is there a "confidence percentage" of this going through? Like a rough estimate? Kinda hard to extrapolate at this point.
50%. Either it happens or it doesn't. 🤯So for someone who sees the weekly headlines and back-and-forth, is there a "confidence percentage" of this going through? Like a rough estimate? Kinda hard to extrapolate at this point.
We have crazy new developments every week, it's impossible to make any educated guess tbh.Crazy! Guess that explains why I couldn't get a confident response from any gaming podcast I've listened to (well...that and they're not law experts I guess lol).
View: https://twitter.com/kendraeclark/status/1669455258362290178?s=46&t=gf8rfJgiXtRzEKTUzSF5Yw
Seeing more mainstream coverage and opinions being thrown into the ring now. Havent heard of this reporter or the website The Drum but it seems fairly legit and not like a right wing rag or anything
LolThe country's regulators said the agreement would impede healthy competition in the burgeoning cloud gaming space.
View: https://twitter.com/kendraeclark/status/1669455258362290178?s=46&t=gf8rfJgiXtRzEKTUzSF5Yw
Seeing more mainstream coverage and opinions being thrown into the ring now. Havent heard of this reporter or the website The Drum but it seems fairly legit and not like a right wing rag or anything
They're so fucking stupid. They're using the counter argument people are using for their very own cloud argument. However in this case it was already reported how big this space was going to grown and business insider, data trackers already claimed this would be amazons most dangerous acquisition and they passed it in phase 1 🤡
So for someone who sees the weekly headlines and back-and-forth, is there a "confidence percentage" of this going through? Like a rough estimate? Kinda hard to extrapolate at this point.
People will say CMA this and CMA that. But if Microsoft is prepared to close over and an injunction from the FTC is the last obstacle, it's an approximate 90-95% chance
If MS wins and still seeks CMA approval, I think maybe 50% chance. Comity argument would be quite strong.
Even though confidence is high for MS winning vs FTC, there is always the slight chance they lose and it really depends on the judge.
Not important to smarthomes?? Aren't these machines integrated with smarthome apps such as Smartthings, Zigby, Apple Home, IFTTT etc ??? I been shopping for one for the purpose of home automation along with sensors/timers. 🤡🤡🤡 seems apt.
lmao I also noticed this and laughed to deathSo they've approved the iRobot merger with a picture of a Roborock? I'm pretty sure iRobot don't use Lidar.
Just goes to show how unprofessional they are as an outfit.
So far Idas has been the only person thats been reliable, at least on Era, with their analysis and estimates. Well at least out of everyone I've seen on here, this thread is too big to keep track of everyones predictions.I still remember confidence bring high CMA would approve. Not just here but all over twitter/reddit.
So right now I don't trust any experts or pundits.
maybe not, but a lot of people here are more confident o don't know a shit (like practically everyone lol)
Just be water, my friend
Yeah, I felt like it would pass, but the CMA was always going to be a wildcard post Brexit.I still remember confidence bring high CMA would approve. Not just here but all over twitter/reddit.
So right now I don't trust any experts or pundits.
I still remember confidence bring high CMA would approve. Not just here but all over twitter/reddit.
So right now I don't trust any experts or pundits.
Number of exhibit, description and related content in the REDACTED ones |
1.- REDACTED, related to a private call from Jim Ryan (Sony) the day the acquisition was announced and the availability of COD on Playstation |
2.- REDACTED, related to consoles representing the smallest share of video game revenue |
3.- Expert report of Dr. Elizabeth M. Bailey |
4.- There is not Exhibit number 4 although it's mentioned during the text in relation to mobile being the fastest growing segment in gaming |
5.- Ben Gilbert, Epic Games, Maker of Fortnite," Saw Its Value Rise By $17 Billion In Just 8 Years — A More Than Twentyfold Increase, Bus. Insider (July 13, 2020), https://bit.ly/4693arC |
6.- Aisha Malik, Epic Raises $2B at a Nearly $32B Valuation to Build its Kid-Friendly Metaverse, TechCrunch (April 11, 2022), https://tcrn.ch/463E9xP |
7.- REDACTED, related to the marketshare of Xbox in comparison to Playstation worldwide and in the US |
8.- REDACTED, related to the deposition of a witness, I think |
9.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
10.- REDACTED, related to a statement from Jin Ryan in relation to PC gaming being a market |
11.- REDACTED, related to the number of exclusives from Sony in comparison to Xbox |
12.- Sony Corporate Report (2022) |
13.- REDACTED, related to PC gaming being a market |
14.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
15.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
16.- Sony Chief Warns Technical Problems Persist For Cloud Gaming, Financial Times (6/3/2023) |
17.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
18.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
19.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
20.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
21.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
22.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
23.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
24.- REDACTED, related to Xbox position in relation to Sony and Nintendo |
25.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
26.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
27.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
28.- REDACTED, related to Xbox trying to get a foothold into mobile gaming without success |
29.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
30.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
31.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
32.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
33.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
34.- REDACTED, related to the rationale of the acquisition being about making games more widely accessible on Xbox Game Pass and on mobile devices |
35.- Activision Press Release, Activision Blizzard Completes King Acquisition Becomes the Largest Game Network in the World with over 500 Million Users (Feb. 23, 2016), https://tinyur].com/ybxussu5 |
36.- Microsoft Press Release, Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard to Bring the Joy and Community of Gaming to Everyone, Across Every Device (Jan. 18, 2022), https://bit.ly/3XeajTh |
37.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
38.- REDACTED, related to the agreement with Nintendo to bring COD |
39.- REDACTED, related to the cloud gaming agreement with Boosteroid |
40.- REDACTED, related to the cloud gaming agreement with EE |
41.- REDACTED, related to the cloud gaming agreement with Nvidia |
42.- REDACTED, related to the cloud gaming agreement with Nware |
43.- REDACTED, related to the cloud gaming agreement with Ubitus |
44.- REDACTED, related to the all the cloud gaming agreements |
45.- EC Press Release, Mergers: Commission Clears Acquisition Of Activision Blizzard by Microsoft, Subject To Conditions, European Commission (May 15, 2023), https://tinyurl.com/y5s3b2hc |
46.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
47.- REDACTED, related to customer preferences demonstrating that Xbox and PlayStation compete with Nintendo Switch for customers and playtime |
48.- Expert Report of Dr. Robin Lee |
49.- Kevin Webb, PS5 vs. PS5 Digital Edition: Which PlayStation 5 is the Best Choice in 2023?, Insider (May 12, 2023), https://bit.ly/3JOtD01 |
50.- Ian Evenden, PS5 Pro and Slim: Everything We've Heard About Sony's Future Console Upgrades, Stuff (June 15, 2023), https://bit.ly/43HbYUS |
51.- Stephen Totilo, Nintendo's Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Sells 10 Million Copies in 3 Days, Axios (May 17, 2023), https://bit.ly/3MJkIHn |
52.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
53.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
54.- REDACTED, related to the rationale of the acquisition being about making games more widely accesible on Gamepass and mobile |
55.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
56.- Rhiannon Bevan, PlayStation Boss Says Cloud Gaming Has Too Many Technical Difficulties, The Gamer (June 4, 2023), https://bit.ly/43D5pBA |
57.- REDACTED, related to the offer that MS made to Sony to get ABK content for 10 years |
58.- Expert Report of Dr. Dennis W. Carlton |
59.- Microsoft Press Release, Minecraft tojoin Microsoft (Sept. 15, 2014), |
60.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
61.- Microsoft Didn't Mislead EU over Zenimax Deal, Watchdog Says in Response to US Concerns, MLex (Dec. 9, 2022), https://tinyurl.com/33S5rpbxr |
62.- Sony Press Release: Bungie Acquisition (Feb. 1, 2022), https://tinyurl.com/m7r8aku9 |
63.- Rebuttal Report of Dr. Robin Lee |
64.- Michael Kan, Nvidia Rebuts UK, Says Microsoft-Activision Deal Good for Cloud Gaming, PCMag.com (Apr. 28, 2023). https://bit.ly/3PnUgro |
65.- Kana Inagaki & Leo Lewis, Sony Chief Warns Technical Problems Persist for Cloud Gaming, Fin. Times (June 3, 2023) |
66.- Joshua Fineman, Sony CEO Downplays Risk of Cloud Gaming on Console Market, Seeking Alpha (June4, 2023), https://bit.ly/3NxC7ik |
67.- Sony Will Keep Acquiring Game Studios To Sustain "Virtuous Cycle" Of Success, Game Developer (April 4, 2022), https://tinyurl.com/3jezsdnm |
68.- REDACTED, related to the evaluation of the transaction and the financial targets of MS |
69.- REDACTED, related to the significant appeal of COD as a multi-player game across different platforms, including PS |
70.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
71.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
72.- REDACTED, related to UNKNOWN |
Feels like we're gonna hear this one a lot...- It mentions at least 3 times the article from FT (from different sources) where Sony chief Kenichiro Yoshida warned about the technical problems of cloud gaming.
Updating...
Great stuff. Keep up the good work!The opposition of MS/ABK to the FTC preliminary injunction request is 244 pages long :p
It includes:
- The legal arguments (around 25 pages long).
- 72 exhibits (lots of them redacted).
- The full commitments to the EC, although the agreements with Nvidia, Boosteroid and Ubitus are redacted.
- The full Sony Corporate Report 2022.
- It mentions at least 3 times the article from FT (from different sources) where Sony chief Kenichiro Yoshida warned about the technical problems of cloud gaming.
- The report from MLex in December 2022 saying that Microsoft didn't mislead the EU over the ZeniMax deal, in response to the FTC concerns.
Lots of reading to do!
I'll keep updating the post during the next few hours with highlights from it. If the opposition is published online, it should be here.
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I'd actually prefer it if the professional referees weren't supporters of any team tbhOne is a Republican politician. Lina Khan is not supposed to be a supporter of the Democrats but a professional with some autonomy.
I did not either, that is surprising, because I do not think any regulator would have cared about the Activision games outside of CoD at all.I didn't realise they offered Sony 10 years of equal access to the whole catalogue.
I don't think what's written implies that.I didn't realise they offered Sony 10 years of equal access to the whole catalogue.
On the contrary, Jim Ryan, the CEO of SIE, and the chief commercial opponent of this deal, said privately on the day it was announced REDACTED.
I didn't realise they offered Sony 10 years of equal access to the whole catalogue.
Oof.Third, the FTC has failed to identify relevant antitrust markets, dooming their entire case. Why does the FTC contradict REDACTED in this respect? Because recognizing Nintendo and PCs as part of the market would destroy the FTC's flimsy foreclosure theory: Nintendo has been successful for years without COD, as was the dominant PC game store Valve's Steam. COD cannot be essential to competition if market participants thrive without it. (Page 4)
It was behind closed doors and not over a call no?Cited as Exhibit 1, I think that'd be transcript of a call with $MSFT exec or an internal communication. This one is especially interesting given it's the first thing cited. xD
It was behind closed doors and not over a call no?
I remember lulu tweeting about it.
First, there is no evidence to support the FTC's central theory that Xbox will take COD away from Playstation. The FTC does not cite a single document or witness even suggesting this will happen. On the contrary, Jim Ryan, the CEO of SIE, and the chief commercial opponent of this deal, said privately on the day it was announced REDACTED. Withholding COD would harm Xbox.
So many users on this board tried to convince everyone that Sony's comments on cloud had no meaning for MS/ABK merger, and yet we see it being used to strengthen MS argument against FTC (I assume CMA too), like we sensibly predicted, once again people trying to reimagine reality so that MS/ABK can't be seen in a more favourable position with the judge.