Windu

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Phil is talking only about 2027, i can understand jim not being happy at all.
But jim is asking too much i think ?

Even if jim was asking too much, microsoft should have accepted this and go on. Getting every game on gamepass would have been enough, getting the money from the multiplatform too, and even more, getting the money from mobile would have been awesome.
Yeah The original reports were of a 5 yr deal. Then they offered the 10 yr deal.
 

Corrik

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Phil is talking only about 2027, i can understand jim not being happy at all.
But jim is asking too much i think ?

Even if jim was asking too much, microsoft should have accepted this and go on. Getting every game on gamepass would have been enough, getting the money from the multiplatform too, and even more, getting the money from mobile would have been awesome.
His terms clearly state no Activision titles on gamepass. Heh.

Yeah that's asking a lot.
 

Stormbrewer

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Phil is talking only about 2027, i can understand jim not being happy at all.
But jim is asking too much i think ?

Even if jim was asking too much, microsoft should have accepted this and go on. Getting every game on gamepass would have been enough, getting the money from the multiplatform too, and even more, getting the money from mobile would have been awesome.
If I'm reading the latter part of the email right, Jim also wanted guarantees that the games wouldn't go on Subscription services (gamepass) without also being on a Sony equivalent (ps+) - "Activision games should not receive unequal treatment on the Parties' subscription services". Seems like they were angling to either have it excluded from gamepass or get it on the cheap on PS+? Not sure MS would ever agree to those terms.
 

Madjoki

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I think $242 million for Horizon Forbidden West
$220 million for for last of us part 2
 

Reil

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If I'm reading the latter part of the email right, Jim also wanted guarantees that the games wouldn't go on Subscription services (gamepass) without also being on a Sony equivalent (ps+) - "Activision games should not receive unequal treatment on the Parties' subscription services". Seems like they were angling to either have it excluded from gamepass or get it on the cheap on PS+? Not sure MS would ever agree to those terms.
Not only that, he also wanted to rediscuss Bethesda titles. The entitlement of that guy, geez
 

craven68

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Yeah, i didn't see the "' not on gamepass"...So yeah, it wasn't good enough for microsoft without at least gamepass. ( and yeah i know it was before the 10 years offer)
 

The Lord of Cereal

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https://files.cand.uscourts.gov/files/23-cv-02880_FTC_v_Microsoft/PX1136_redacted.pdf

One of the newer files posted, there was some speculation that Project Phoenix was a potential acquisition of Square Enix and all things considered the dates of the two emails matches up with that as something that makes sense. Definitely interesting to see that MS was kicking the tires and having multiple discussions about acquiring an Asian publisher, even if it isn't Square Enix like I think
 

RaySpencer

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Phil is talking only about 2027, i can understand jim not being happy at all.
But jim is asking too much i think ?

Even if jim was asking too much, microsoft should have accepted this and go on. Getting every game on gamepass would have been enough, getting the money from the multiplatform too, and even more, getting the money from mobile would have been awesome.

There is no reason for them to accept putting every single ABK game. Jim is asking for way too much.
 

Sangral

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Is the audio in general so super shitty and tinny today or is it the discord video stream? 😅
 

Det

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Lmao the redaction individual definitely didn't have their coffee reviewing these documents.
 

Corrik

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https://files.cand.uscourts.gov/files/23-cv-02880_FTC_v_Microsoft/PX1136_redacted.pdf

One of the newer files posted, there was some speculation that Project Phoenix was a potential acquisition of Square Enix and all things considered the dates of the two emails matches up with that as something that makes sense. Definitely interesting to see that MS was kicking the tires and having multiple discussions about acquiring an Asian publisher, even if it isn't Square Enix like I think
That falling through might be why Square has shunned Microsoft after.
 

Xadra

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Do people have a way to listen to this? I was not following the last pages, sorry.

I can give it a try live streaming on Twitch (not Youtube not available).

But I'm working, so I would prefer if another user streamed this.
 

Reil

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Do you know how negotiation works ?

You aim high to reach what you want or better.

That only works with people unaware of those tactics. That's not the only one, that's probably the most ineffective one when dealing at those levels especially when you don't have much leverage (as we're seeing during these days)
 
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Kotick had a chance to course correct and include Switch but like many publishers in the west and Japan they didn't. terrible judgment from everybody.