Idk if it being the exact same game with different controls counts as an improvement. But I would rather have that than most mobile games lol
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The "Mobile Games Suck" meme is very outdated
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I invite everyone saying that mobile controls suck to play Arena of Valor for a couple of weeks and report back.
Well mobile games come with a design principle of spontaneous pickup and play what dials them back to glorified skinner boxes with enormous potential of monetisation.
Bad controls are also a turn off for me...
I really love games in many ways but smartphone games don't entertain me. Maybe in the future when that market evolved some times.
Bad controls are also a turn off for me...
I really love games in many ways but smartphone games don't entertain me. Maybe in the future when that market evolved some times.
It doesn't matter if games that were good on other platforms have been ported to mobile, the mobile gaming experience is still bad. Gaming is the one thing that would cause me to bother to use my phone if it was worth it. It isn't (yet), and Diablo doesn't change that. It isn't a "meme", not everyone is okay with playing the games you listed in this form just because you don't mind it. Why take other peoples preferences so personal?
People aren't rational when they are upset. Did you expect a mobile diablo announcement to ever be anything but complete mayhem?
What i hate about mobile games is how many require a data connection even if they aren't actively online. It makes playing on the subway or plane miserable.
Shin Megami Tensei Dx2 out now on your mobile platform of choice.
Get out there and summon some demons. There's even a cool AR mode where you can transport them into the real world!
Get out there and summon some demons. There's even a cool AR mode where you can transport them into the real world!
It's a Diablo game on a touchscreen.
This is not trying to innovate, this is a money cash in.
There's tons of games like this in the asian market already, the devs previous game is exactly the same.
Blizzard had been hyping up a Diablo announcement for the past few months.
You got fans here at Blizzcon that are 99% hardcore PC players, they paid hundreds of dollars in airplane tickets, hotels, passes, to be there for an announcement.
The backlash is natural knowing the circumstances.
This is not trying to innovate, this is a money cash in.
There's tons of games like this in the asian market already, the devs previous game is exactly the same.
Blizzard had been hyping up a Diablo announcement for the past few months.
You got fans here at Blizzcon that are 99% hardcore PC players, they paid hundreds of dollars in airplane tickets, hotels, passes, to be there for an announcement.
The backlash is natural knowing the circumstances.
Mobile games can be great, but not action heavy games, I've never played one of those were I didn't think "this would be better with a controller"
Also most mobile games that are based on a series are watered down experiences from the non mobile games.
Also most mobile games that are based on a series are watered down experiences from the non mobile games.
The market and available input options on mobile phones tend to lend themselves to design decisions that a lot of more traditional game players would find unsavory or hard to deal with. And that's not including this whole gacha/microtransaction garbage which is so overwhelming so as to render any positive game design developments and ideas inconsequential.
That said, there have been some genuinely neat games tailored exclusively for mobile devices, so it's not as if the whole platform is dead to rights, but the climate of the market just kind of ruins everything, at least from my vantage point.
That said, there have been some genuinely neat games tailored exclusively for mobile devices, so it's not as if the whole platform is dead to rights, but the climate of the market just kind of ruins everything, at least from my vantage point.
When I think mobile game, the first thought that springs to mind is free to play, with loads of sleazy microtransactions.
I'd be more excited if this were a standard Diablo game, developed with mobile limitations in mind. One that I can flat out buy with no mtx.
I'd be more excited if this were a standard Diablo game, developed with mobile limitations in mind. One that I can flat out buy with no mtx.
I have literally never played a good mobile game. However, Desert Golfing does come close.
Nevertheless, the main issue with Diablo Immortal isn't that it's a mobile game. People are bothered because Blizzard either doesn't understand or does not care about its core audience, the audience that paid to go to a convention for Blizzard. The big reveal at the end is a mobile game being developed by a studio with 18k+ workers, a game that hardly anybody in that audience would actually enjoy.
Nevertheless, the main issue with Diablo Immortal isn't that it's a mobile game. People are bothered because Blizzard either doesn't understand or does not care about its core audience, the audience that paid to go to a convention for Blizzard. The big reveal at the end is a mobile game being developed by a studio with 18k+ workers, a game that hardly anybody in that audience would actually enjoy.
This is what I don't understand, diablo remasters and diablo proper are all developed by different teams. This doesnt take anything away from diablo, if anything opens it up to a new audience...
Is this really the argument against it?
Diablo Immortal was front and center as the only Diablo announcement in front of a core audience that spent hundreds to travel and attend a huge convention. As it's own thing, it's fine. As a product in front of core fans and closing the opening ceremony with, it's disappointing. And, the game is being outsourced to a chinese mobile dev, not even part of Blizzard.
This game wasn't made for core fans, yet it was presented to core fans anyways, people that paid hundreds to attend.
This game wasn't made for core fans, yet it was presented to core fans anyways, people that paid hundreds to attend.
Consider the broader context of Diablo Immortal, though: they're taking the Diablo franchise -- which has historically had a pretty "hardcore" fanbase -- and (A) creating a casual version by (B) outsourcing to (C) a developer who has published other extremely similar games, and (D) announced it as their finale to (E) a crowd of people who likely prefer to play games on PC (you know, along with the rest of Blizzard's catalogue).
I'm not a Diablo diehard by any means but it's not hard to see what went wrong here
I'm not a Diablo diehard by any means but it's not hard to see what went wrong here
Yeah, I'm sure NOBODY at blizzcon plays Hearthstone, a F2P mobile title.
This forum is so hilariously out of touch.
Honestly, I viewed the Blizcon presentation with an open mind - and was excited to see how Blizzard would reimagine the Diablo format for mobile while having it remain a true ARPG.
Then they showed a game with on-screen joysticks & I promptly lost interest.
It looks like every other Diablo clone on mobile, because it was made by the same team as every other Diablo clone on mobile.
Then they showed a game with on-screen joysticks & I promptly lost interest.
It looks like every other Diablo clone on mobile, because it was made by the same team as every other Diablo clone on mobile.
Mobile games that don't have their entire balance and progression schema built around payment-nags, adverts, and MTXs are the exception, not the rule, and you know it. It's the most financially and psychologically predatory segment of the gaming market. There's only one reason to bring one of your tentpole IPs over to it.
It's not about being close-minded. It's about it being reality.
How much better would that Diablo game play and control and feel on an actual console? Much Better.
This isn't to knock off mobile games completely. I play a few on my commute each day but when you take a franchise like Diablo (and when fans have been waiting on a sequel for some time now) and put it on mobile.. well.. yeah. I'm sure it'll be a solid game, just that it could have been much better.
How much better would that Diablo game play and control and feel on an actual console? Much Better.
This isn't to knock off mobile games completely. I play a few on my commute each day but when you take a franchise like Diablo (and when fans have been waiting on a sequel for some time now) and put it on mobile.. well.. yeah. I'm sure it'll be a solid game, just that it could have been much better.
So if you're only issue with it is that they announced a mobile port, then at 100% has to do with mobile. Why don't you consider a mobile Diablo spinoff a legitimate game? why does the fact that it's a mobile game mean they shouldn't close their show with it?
To me, it looks like a very fun looking game. The dynamic environments alone makes it look better than Diablo 3 ever was to me.
The game started on PC, and was developed internally by Blizzard.
And later missions are getting longer and longer and being not suitable for mobile gaming anymore. Otherwise great game. A checkpoint system upon exiting the game would be great.
When they don't control like crap and they don't nickle and dime you trying to bleed every single cent out of you, I will give mobile a fair shot.
I have no qualms with mobile games. I think certain multiplatform games (Stardew, Donut County, Fortnite Etc.) lend themselves well--usually games that are more casual and easy to pick up n play, and often time slower. Mobile specific games that utilize gacha/F2P mechanics I think do their job and like you said, have mellowed out. They could be better but for now they're okay.
Mobile only games that attempt to be something other than f2p/gacha just...don't work for me. I've never enjoyed one. I've tried a few--Reigns is one that comes to mind. I think they just tend lack that initial hook that encourages you to spend more time with the game and having awkward/bad controls (which I can only imagine this game will) makes me unwilling to spend the time *to* get hooked.
IDK. I just don't see it working. I've put plenty of time into mobile exclusive games over the year or so--FEH, Love Nikki, Pokemon Go, Dragalia Lost, Food Fantasy--the games I come back to are the ones that have satisfying reward or feedback for accomplishing goals and easy/good controls coupled with understandable mechanics.
Mobile only games that attempt to be something other than f2p/gacha just...don't work for me. I've never enjoyed one. I've tried a few--Reigns is one that comes to mind. I think they just tend lack that initial hook that encourages you to spend more time with the game and having awkward/bad controls (which I can only imagine this game will) makes me unwilling to spend the time *to* get hooked.
IDK. I just don't see it working. I've put plenty of time into mobile exclusive games over the year or so--FEH, Love Nikki, Pokemon Go, Dragalia Lost, Food Fantasy--the games I come back to are the ones that have satisfying reward or feedback for accomplishing goals and easy/good controls coupled with understandable mechanics.
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I legit forgot about the modern energy/stamina systems since they've stopped being a factor, otherwise I would have included it in the OP. (specifically, the combo of Energy refreshing on Rank Ups, Energy overflow, and Energy items allow new players to go for a reeeeeally long time before hitting 0)
If it wasn't for mobile, ii wouldn't have experienced Dragon Quest 1 since i can't play it on any other platform and i had a blast with it.
I think Android owners had a bit more opportunity with good games because unlike iPhone users they can participate in the occasional Humble Mobile Bundle. I have played countless great games on mobile like the 2-Bit Cowboy series, A Normal Lost Phone, Slayaway Camp, Stellar Wanderer, Final Fantasy IV, etc.
Not all of them are up to console gaming standards but they are enjoyable enough experiences when playing away from home.
Not all of them are up to console gaming standards but they are enjoyable enough experiences when playing away from home.
It's not so much that a mobile game exists, as that a mobile game is the only new game announcement in sight (or in recent memory), and it's what Blizzard expects its fans to be excited about. There will be, no lie, many people among Blizzard's fan base who are pumped for this. And a likely even greater number of people who will be first time players of Blizzard games who get hooked by this. But Blizzard has been teasing diablo news. And we are in the midst of Blizzcon, the conference dedicated to all their projects, which is attended primarily by their hardcore fans. To get this as the mainline announcement at Blizzcon will get disappointment from attendees and pass buyers because it's not really directed at most of them, and will get disappointment from a broader audience because this isn't at all the thing they'd wanted. For the same reason that Metroid Prime Federation Force and Artifact, the Dota card game were met with jeers and disappointment, people were bound to be let down by this. Blizzard fans, specifically Diablo fans, want more of the thing they love. They've been waiting for a while for that now. This will feel like a cruel joke to them, even though it obviously isn't.
You didn't really start off strong with listing a bunch of ports. There's certainly a lot of decent to good mobile games, though I don't think many tend to be on the actioney side, personally. Most of the good ones tend to be puzzle, story oriented, or turn based.
Agree with this. There's only so much you can do with a touch screen. That doesn't mean all mobile games are bad by any means. I play Pokemon Go almost every day and love it.
It just means there are limitations here to the control scheme. For some games this doesn't matter. For others, it does.