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The "Mobile Games Suck" meme is very outdated

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So, a mobile Diablo was announced, which has received a lot of condemnation because it's not Diablo IV or Diablo II Remastered. That's fine. People did the exact same thing when Bethesda announced Elder Scrolls: Blades.

However, saying that the game will be bad because it's a mobile game doesn't respect the changes made to the industry since the rise of Candy Crush Saga helped create the stereotype in the first place.

Multiplatform premium games from both indies (e.g. Oxenfree, LIMBO, Bastion/Transistor, Stardew Valley) and mainstream publishers (Minecraft, Scribblenauts, Civiliation VI, Knights of the Old Republic). Square Enix has ported over the same Final Fantasy games (+ Valkyrie Profile) that are present on PC/Console console to mobile.

Gacha/Microtransaction-oriented games games have mellowed out a bit as competition intensifies over the years (often by giving lots of free currency for pulls, leading to an interesting equilibrium). The recent App Store change requiring games to list drop rates helped a lot as well. At the least, you can usually complete the main plot of a modern Gacha while being completely F2P; a pretty good time value.

And that's not even touching the really good original titles that make good use of the medium (e.g. Reigns).

We'll probably see more even mobile games thanks to Unity/UE4 making cross-platform development a lot easier. In fairness, not all mobile games do support an external controller which is very important for several games, and that is room for improvement (I do have a Steelseries Nimbus, but haven't had a huge desire to use it).

Not all mobile games are Candy Crush.
 
The Real Napsta

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Mobile games to me mean the controls are garbage.

Once they get Xbox one controller support, I'll be all in on mobile.
 
eXistor

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Isn't the backlash directed more towards the developer though? I don't know them, but apparently they have a terrible reputation.
 
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I have to stop you at your very first sentence.

This Diablo outrage has zero to do with mobile gaming and more to do with closing the Blizzcon ceremony with the next NEW Diablo game, exclusively for mobile.

It's like Nokia's Snake announced at Microsoft's big event as the closing title and it's releasing on X1X instead of Nokia.

Blizzard hyped the shit out of "The Future of Diablo", and this is the future we got. Yes, we know Diablo 4 is in the making and will released next-gen, but still... People expected at least Diablo 1 or 2 remaster along with whatever they want to announce.

EDIT: Mobile gaming is great. No doubt about it. But here's how the damn game was announced:



Enjoy your gutless, goreless, family friendly Diablo! Because nothing is fun like families slaying demons, right?
 
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Mobile games can be good, but the market is still really awful. It has improved a little though.

The Real Napsta said:
Mobile games to me mean the controls are garbage.

Once they get Xbox one controller support, I'll be all in on mobile.
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You can play mobile games with a controller. Not all work but it's definitely a thing.

There's also a bunch of games which genuinely work well on a touch screen, although sadly I find it very hard to discover the actually good ones because there's so much rubbish and the available discoverability tools are poor.

I quite like Yankai's Peak, A Good Snowman is Hard to Build, and a few others.
 
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It is but that won't change for this big bubble of the internet while the actual market continues to be the biggest of the world and they'll continue to be outdated.
 
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See this is where you're wrong.

You're talking about ports. This isn't a port of Diablo ii or III and that's a problem because if it is a new game it's going to be really heavily MTXd. Look at any of the other games on the iOS or Android store that are like this.
 
Saucycarpdog

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Good luck changing opinions on this board. People tried very hard on the last forum but it never stuck.
 
Derrick01

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Is it really outdated though? Did phones sprout buttons?

This really isn't the best time for this thread. The day that they showed off a diablo game that looks to be a mobile-ass mobile game that only exists to suck money out of people. It's possible the whole thing is just a reskin of something else too.
 
MrConbon210

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There's a small percentage of mobile games that are actually just buy once and play forever. People wouldn't be as upset if the Diablo mobile game was like that. We know however that they will nickel and dime the shit out of that game.

That's why people don't like mobile games.
 
Starlatine

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Diablo is a pc game
Diablo crowd thought the game would be ruined going to console due to simplified controls
You really think the reaction would be any better putting the game on touch controls?

And frankly i'm seeing way more people upset about the game being the only announcement we'll have for at least another year than the fact that there is a diablo mobile existing in the near future. Any other announcement along with it would turn into the headline today, even something of small consequence like "amazon is the next class for diablo III buy it for 10 bucks in december". when you make it the main and only announcement of the night, you're putting yourself up to judgement by not only the mobile crowd but the pc crowd as well
 
BassForever

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I'm just 100% burned out on any f2p mobile game that has any kind of energy meter and gatcha mechanics. I know these games can be excellent I played record keeper for 3 years, but I just know these titles like mmos aren't for me.

The only games I play on mobile now are ports of board games since they generally translate to phone well and I have no problem paying $5-10 for a quality game.
 
Chacranajxy

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Not a meme, and while an overbroad generalization, not entirely unfair.

I don't think the new Diablo looks bad, but it's definitely not what I would've wanted, personally.
 

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Touch controls are generally meh. Not as much money, time etc is usually put into mobile games compared to console/PC games. Most of the games that are good are being ported to the Switch or on PC anyway. Plenty of mobile games are still heavily P2W and also not everyone has a phone that can run the best games.

This isn't a port of D3, from what we've seen so far it's very cut back in content compared to D3 and shares similarities with another NetEase mobile game that you can already play.
 

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Sonic 2 is a good game but you need a controller in order to play it, I've found. My experience with Diablo is much lower but actually I can see games like it and Civ working much better (in comparison) in a touchscreen interface since they're fairly mouse-driven.
 
DJ_Lae

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There are certainly good mobile games out there but they aren't as common or as prominent as everything else.

I mean, look at the top grossing games for the App or Play stores and it's little more than a festering pile of shit, and exactly the ammunition anyone who doesn't like phone games needs to downplay them.

And it also means companies are more likely to make games that follow those revenue models, because that's what works. The more traditional games are almost an afterthought, though they are hiding here and there.
 
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Shao Kahn said:
I have to stop you at your very first sentence.

This Diablo outrage has zero to do with mobile gaming and more to do with closing the Blizzcon ceremony with the next NEW Diablo game, exclusively for mobile.

It's like Nokia's Snake announced at Microsoft's big event as the closing title and it's releasing on X1X instead of Nokia.
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I don't know why people here don't get this.
 
cowbanana

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Controls and monetization suck bigtime, so yeah, mobile games still suck across the board. I haven't seen a single game I'd spend time on over playing my PC/consoles. Wake me up when mobile games become fun and respect my time.
 
udivision

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I mostly play mobile, since it's fairly easy to pull out your phone.
I've been getting a lot of milage out of all the Ace Attorney games, Pokemon Go, and sometimes random Gatcha nonsense.

I have no qualms with people poo-pooing them though.
 
Kouriozan

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I will respect mobile gaming more when we stop getting a zillion clones and fake games when something's getting popular.
You're essentially saying that the good games are ports or totally innovative ones, and I guess that's the best we can hope for.
Also the French appstore is filled with chinese bots 5 staring their games and that piss me off to no end as it's screwing the charts.
 

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Well, percentage-wise, the amount of good mobile games within the App Store offerings is very low, and the screwed up pricing structure has a lot to do with that. Another thing that is horrible is the constantly broken compatibility, I have lost many of my favorite mobile games like the Cave shmups, Dungeon Raid, or Air Control to the 32 bit purge, among them many big publisher titles. Not sure what is up with Chaos Rings these days, that was another one.

FTL for example is amazing though, plays better on iPad than on PC. Once Into the Breach makes it to iPad it will be amazing as well, as will Slay the Spire.
 

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Shao Kahn said:
I have to stop you at your very first sentence.

This Diablo outrage has zero to do with mobile gaming and more to do with closing the Blizzcon ceremony with the next NEW Diablo game, exclusively for mobile.

It's like Nokia's Snake announced at Microsoft's big event as the closing title and it's releasing on X1X instead of Nokia.

Blizzard hyped the shit out of "the future of Diablo", and this is the future we got. Yes, we know Diablo 4 is in the making and will released next-gen, but it's still..
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Yup.
 
tommy7154

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Mobile games in general to me means an inferior game with bad controls on a tiny screen with bullshit ads and mtx. No thanks.

Note for any dumb asses: nowhere there did I say there aren't good mobile games.
 

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There's lots of good products on mobile but the overall market is pretty horrible. It's really not surprising that traditional game players want little to do with it.
 
Heisenburger

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Why is it? Opinions and all but they absolutely do and they're designed nothing more than to rinse you of your cash.

I'm more surprised people even waste time making threads about them on a dedicated gaming forum. Thought people on here would know better.
 

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I agree with this, but I do note that mobile games tend to be more likely to have things that I veer far away from: Gatcha/randomized lootboxes, optical control schemes that don't fit their game genres, ads.

The games that I like on mobile are missing these things because I can just pay for them outright (e.g.: Game Dev Story) or limit that stuff (e.g. a game that is in my personal top five for this year, Pixel Puzzle Collection).

On the other hand, even a great game like Downwell, at least to me, was merely fine on mobile and only became great when paired with a traditional D-Pad or analog stick control scheme.
 
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Velocity:Design:Comfort

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This argument being..."it has ports!!! And also nuh uh it doesn't suck!"

How about nuh uh to that and they do suck? Terrible monetization, no buttons, thousands of clones, your phone gets hot as shit, and so on. Gatcha games are fucking stupid too.
 

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I have a powerful mobile but I don't really game on it anymore, I don't have as much free time so I play mostly on dedicated devices as a preference. Over the years I've played tons of good mobile games, ones you can pick up for a couple of weeks and get engrossed in. There is a bit of snobbery and also valid criticism but I think overall they get a very bad rap.
 
spam musubi

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You won't get much sympathy here - this forum is generally pretty closed minded towards things that aren't typical console single player games or traditional entries in established franchises.
 
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