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The Republican Six Point Plan to Steal an Election
- Thread starter Syriel
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This must've been known for awhile, as it's the exact playbook that Qnuts and Trump loyalists swore would happen
Story goes Dan Quayle told him not to
Costa and Woodward report that Pence rang up Quayle in late December to ask if there was any way he could give Trump want he wanted, according to the Washington Post:
CNN's version added some additional detail to Pence's entreaty:
And Pence did just that: He listened to the Senate parliamentarian.
It is, because procedurally, the speaker of the house controls the entire process and can stalemate the entire thing if any of this is attempted.
I was going to make a flippant comment about their fantasy dollar store Tom Clancy nonsense, but these people are capable of inciting or causing violence over this. I hope the authorities are tracking.
Eastman is a total nutcase. He also wrote an op-ed in Newsweek claiming Kamala Harris was not a citizen and not eligible to be VP
Would be a pretty big loophole if the VP could influence their own re-election so easily.
This is somehow completely new information to me. Dan fucking Quayle? Does he have some cache in the world of conservatism that I'm unaware of? Just the only surviving GOP VP who's not Dick Cheney?
Terrifying how close we came to descending into overt fascism. Trump wouldn't have stopped after getting away with completely stealing an election in full view of the public.
Yeah I didn't know this either. I guess Cheney was pretty open about not liking Trump.
He and Pence are both from Indiana and I'm sure have known each other forever.
Quayle's a former Indiana senator turned VP just like Pence. That's how they knew each other and why Pence went to him for advice.
We keep commenting on how close we came, but we still haven't stepped that far away from the potential again.
Jesus Christ. Dan Quayle had to help fucking convince pence to not commit treason? Here we thought he just knew he should do this but he literally seemed out advice begging them to allow him to do it
I feel like people are missing the whole Quayle thing. It's not that Quayle convinced him not to do it, he convinced him that he didn't have the ability and power to do it. Those are two very different things.
It's going to happen. Republicans haven't stopped replacing the few remaining people with a conscience.
There was a tweet a couple days ago like who the fuck knew what a senate parliamentarian was before this year and how important they apparently are. And yet here again this position is higher than the VP in some respects?
So the fatal flaw here was needing Pence to do all this without consultation or seeking permission? Despite Pence being absolutely notorious for seeking guidance and consultation on everything? Heh.
This whole notion of certification doesn't even exist in the constitution. They are just there to count the votes from the electoral college, not work out disputes or pick elector slates. Basically the same argument that played out in the states where they tried to have election boards refuse certification when their role is just "were these votes received from x county?". It doesn't make the VP arbiter of anything
The one time this actually happened, instead of going to the house they basically made something up -- a joint committee with congress and SCOTUS
The one time this actually happened, instead of going to the house they basically made something up -- a joint committee with congress and SCOTUS
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They're just the person who knows the rules and arbitrates their implementation.
Is that a true story, daddy?
Yes, it is, children. And that's why to this day democracy is spelled P-O-T-A-T-O-E.
*camera pans out to reveal the Washington Monument is now topped with a fifty-foot tall replica of Dan Quayle's head.*
*Twilight Zone theme and end credits*
Yes, it is, children. And that's why to this day democracy is spelled P-O-T-A-T-O-E.
*camera pans out to reveal the Washington Monument is now topped with a fifty-foot tall replica of Dan Quayle's head.*
*Twilight Zone theme and end credits*
So if dems didn't have the house Trump would still be president? I really thought he had no chance regardless but wow if that's all that saved us.
Yup. We are still close. It's still a serious threat. I think we're going to see some serious bullshit pulled by the GOP next year and, of course, in 2024.
I hate to doom post (unless it's about DOOM, the video game franchise) but it's kind of horrifying how pretty much every election holds the sanctity of our nation's democracy in the balance.
This and Jan 6 show that Republicans will almost certainly never accept the results of any presidential election again, and if they win a majority of the house and/or senate they actually have a legitimate chance of doing what was attempted with Trump...
This and Jan 6 show that Republicans will almost certainly never accept the results of any presidential election again, and if they win a majority of the house and/or senate they actually have a legitimate chance of doing what was attempted with Trump...
Sooooo...Mike Pence literally had to be convinced to do the right thing and not be treasonous to his country? That's what I'm taking away from this.
What if Dan Quayle didn't answer the phone? Where would we be right now?
I'm not sure what the US is gonna do about this, but the fact that 45 is possibly gearing up for another run and doesn't seem to be any closer to going to prison is mindboggling.
You know what? I think you're right and of course that makes it worse.
What if Dan Quayle didn't answer the phone? Where would we be right now?
I'm not sure what the US is gonna do about this, but the fact that 45 is possibly gearing up for another run and doesn't seem to be any closer to going to prison is mindboggling.
You know what? I think you're right and of course that makes it worse.
This is .. what we all assumed was happening but its so insane to read it. Adults.. based on total fucking lies.. were willing to get this close to something crazy. What would have happened? Could you rely on the military to stop it.. I doubt it.
What really would have happened? GOP could give a shit about the rule of law when they want power... And remember everyone.. this MONSTER is going to run again. Do not think we avoided the only time this will be a threat.
What really would have happened? GOP could give a shit about the rule of law when they want power... And remember everyone.. this MONSTER is going to run again. Do not think we avoided the only time this will be a threat.
The biggest threat of fascism comes from the cops. If Trump wasn't so pants on head stupid he could have pulled off a coup using the local cops on the streets and daring the state governors to respond. Once the cops stop responding to local civilian control (and already civilian leaders are struggling to keep the cops under control) and center their power bases around union leadership the Republic is done. Someone is going to recognize that and they'll be a far bigger threat than Trump.
Think about a city like NYC. The NYPD has 35,000 sworn officers. NY State has 5,000 sworn troopers. There's only 21,000 in the New York National Guard. Even in smaller cities like Boston and Philly, the local PD outnumbers the state troopers, forcing a showdown between the governor with the national guard and the cops. That's if Trump didn't try to federalize the national guard and some units defecting to him.
As much as local chiefs of police will disagree, there's very little professionalism in law enforcement in the United States until you start getting to the federal level. Local cops may as well be local warlords in any sort of fascist uprising. It will be long and bloody with the fascists operating under the color of law to boot. We should thank our lucky stars that Trump didn't figure out the power he had in his cop union buddies willing to go all the way with him so long as they could continue to operate with impunity.
Think about a city like NYC. The NYPD has 35,000 sworn officers. NY State has 5,000 sworn troopers. There's only 21,000 in the New York National Guard. Even in smaller cities like Boston and Philly, the local PD outnumbers the state troopers, forcing a showdown between the governor with the national guard and the cops. That's if Trump didn't try to federalize the national guard and some units defecting to him.
As much as local chiefs of police will disagree, there's very little professionalism in law enforcement in the United States until you start getting to the federal level. Local cops may as well be local warlords in any sort of fascist uprising. It will be long and bloody with the fascists operating under the color of law to boot. We should thank our lucky stars that Trump didn't figure out the power he had in his cop union buddies willing to go all the way with him so long as they could continue to operate with impunity.
