make sense, the expectation is some kind of enhancement, and developers making some enhancement that's this and not that should be given an "enhanced" label too
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I am more than happy to accept 30 FPS games if 60 is impossible. I am more excited for the games that do hit 60 on PS5 now getting an image quality boost. Rebirth's performance mode could really use a pro patch.
It's not up to Sony. Devs decide frame rate targets. This has always and will always be the case.
I played the entirety of Spider-Man 2 at 40 fps and it felt fantastic. I would be more than happy for that to become a new target. Surely the people in the market for a PS5 Pro would have a TV with VRR right?
Of course but then what's the point if they aren't pushing framerate? Most games already run at 4k/30 or a 60fps mode. So what exactly are they boosting if not framerate at native 4k?
On fixed hardware, the target framerate is always a design decision.
Image quality just like the last pro. The image quality this gen has taken a huge nosedive due to devs abusing FSR2 with resolutions it has no business upscaling to 4k. The Pro will improve image quality on quality modes for devs who want to push that and fix the downright terrible resolutions for the devs that want to push 60 fps. Immortals of Avem for example push 60 FPS at the massive expensive of image quality. A game like that would benefit from a pro and maintain its 60 FPS target. Also, no one should be pushing for native 4k. It is a waste of resources and often image reconstruction can actually look better using an upscaling like DLSS (which hopefully PSSR is more comparable to than FSR).
looking forward to chasing 8k in the next generation
and barely managing to get there at 30fps with upscaling yet again
and barely managing to get there at 30fps with upscaling yet again
borrow yourself a ps4 pro with some old enough firmware and you can make it happen
it is, to be frank, a tad blurry, but its glorious
I hate how sorely I am tempted to do this lol. After DeS, Elden Ring, and the DS games getting love, it's hard firing up Bloodborne with how choppy it feels in comparison.
Even games without a patch should provide a good boost I'd imagine, given that a lot of games run at dynamic resolution, and have options to unlock the frame rate when 120hz is used.
40 fps is fine but nothing "incredible" and nowhere near to actual 60.
It is also possible only on 120Hz display connections meaning that a game is in fact 30 with 40 available only to those with compatible h/w.
In case of PS5 specifically it means running in 120Hz TMDS 4:2:2 mode sacrificing color accuracy. (Which is also why PS5 doesn't have a 120Hz system level toggle which would allow it to run inside its VRR with LFC in all games IMO.)
It will not unless the game has dynamic resolution or an uncapped framerate.
Sign me up for PS5 Pro Enhanced Demon's Souls and Returnal.
Trying to think of some other games that would benefit, that either run like shit or look kinda rough. Elden Ring and Cyberpunk maybe? I like the quality mode for Elden Ring more than performance and Cyberpunk is always a bit of a rough choice for me as the performance mode seems to lose shadows in certain lighting which makes things look really flat.
Outer Worlds PS5 version really doesn't feel like it should run as bad as it does in quality mode and again noticable quality drop.
Ray Tracing in GT7 during races too maybe? Also Armored Core I really enjoy the sharpness of the quality mode.
Remains to be seen how impactful it is, if they do get some proper implimentation in I might jump in.
Trying to think of some other games that would benefit, that either run like shit or look kinda rough. Elden Ring and Cyberpunk maybe? I like the quality mode for Elden Ring more than performance and Cyberpunk is always a bit of a rough choice for me as the performance mode seems to lose shadows in certain lighting which makes things look really flat.
Outer Worlds PS5 version really doesn't feel like it should run as bad as it does in quality mode and again noticable quality drop.
Ray Tracing in GT7 during races too maybe? Also Armored Core I really enjoy the sharpness of the quality mode.
Remains to be seen how impactful it is, if they do get some proper implimentation in I might jump in.
It gives developers options, which is fine, and if they decide to go with a PS5 Pro enhancement that is a bumped-up resolution with a 30fps target frame rate that is on the developer and not on Sony tbf.
For some of you complaining, remember you don't have to buy it. Its presence doesn't make the base PS5 experience any worse, but for those who appreciate the upgrades (and are willing to pay the premium) it should be a cool experience.
What difference does it make? You'll be able to look up whether the game is 60fps or not, it's not like you're going to be tricked.
Every single time. We barely get a console (that's been lauded as super powerful omg genius etc etc pre-release) in our hands before 'please sir, can we have some more (for $500)?'. The frenzy here when PS5 was revealed was absurd, even more so when it's to be dropped in the enthusiasts' eyes so damn fast.
I get wanting bigger shinier things, but also... I don't, frankly.
lol, right
once you see both of these polar opposite "narratives" are aiming for the same standard pre-launch fud, it kinda makes sense.
there is probably a healthy dose of console warring added this time too, since ms doesn't have an answer.
Seriously. I made a comment about this at the start of the shift about a year ago and was met with dismissal.
I wonder what people mean when they say we've barely tapped into the power of the console now. From what I understand current console hardware isn't that specialized so at most we're looking at better engine optimization? I'll grant maybe we haven't seen the full potential of immersive storytelling through the DualSense or Tempest hardware/3D audio. But clearly it's a struggle to maintain high frame rate with increasingly high fidelity.
Can still happen for Supersampling back down for 4K TVs, for better image quality.
Probably for non AAA PS5 games.
Great for PSVR2 games.
And maybe for a studio who wants to stand out, with throwing 8K out there.
The introduction of ray tracing has really humbled these "powerhouses" really quickly.
On one hand I'm all for the Pro to increase console level RT fidelity in general as this is being hold back in PC versions by console h/w quite a bit.
On the other hand I don't like that the developers will have another h/w target now in the days where they can barely make do with what we have right now. It is bound to increase the amount of games launching in broken states on various platforms.
And I'm not going to be buying the Pro, had enough of time with the previous one to understand that it's mostly a pointless upgrade.
A keen eye can tell the same is happening again right this second
It's not that easy, some games will have issues with unlocked framerates, especially if game logic or other systems are linked to it.
But they almost all release on PC, so how with the rare exception I can't imagine many developers are tying game logic to frame rate anymore.
FPS maybe for some where there are some spikes on the regular ps5s. Since these are console games I would think the game would have to be patched for higher resolutions. Just like all the other consoles.
I doubt it's gonna give devs significant trouble; the PS version would only have one extra performance profile (base and now Pro), and most of these games are also on PC, so devs are already scaling for more powerful hardware. Had they released a less powerful PS5 "Lite" similar to Series S, I'd agree with you more.
In the very least I'm expecting Sony to mandate their first party developers to take full advantage of the hardware and provide updates to their previous titles.