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Theresa May insists police cuts have 'no direct correlation' to knife crime.
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Ya know, my father's generation had a literal street party when Maggie died.
I can see my generation doing the same for Farage/May/Cameron
I can see my generation doing the same for Farage/May/Cameron
Quite possibly one of the most incompetent Prime Ministers that the UK has ever had to endure, if not THE most incompetent. Other applicable labels: callous, cruel, stupid, self serving, power crazed, racist, blinkered, arrogant and stubborn to the point of being moronic.
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Part of me wonders if lower police numbers were the cause, would it manifest specifically in higher incidences of knife crime? Assuming so, why? What is the catalyst for less police/more knife crime and not less police/more car crime or whatever? What are the overall crime stats like, are they on the rise and correlate with the drop in police numbers? Maybe so for all I know, it just feels like something that isn't as simplistic to resolve as 'more coppers'.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/shopkeeper-stabbed-chest-front-customer-15916361
Literally this past day in Liverpool.
But yeah, no correlation!
People tend to not act up when there is a more visible police pressence. It's like street smarts 101. Down 20,000 officers is a huge number.
Hope she loses her job but not sure how things work out there.
Hope she loses her job but not sure how things work out there.
Problem is that with so much fewer police officers, there is no more proactive patrols where crime is being prevented. It's all about reacting to crime instead of preventing it unfortunately.
A simple domestic incident like verbal argument only between (ex) partners, family members etc with no physical violence takes 2 officers to attend and about and hour to an hour an half to deal with after (paperwork, referrals, checks etc). That's nearly and hour an half out a 9-hour shift.
Put that on top of mental health patients (which can easily take up the whole shift) and searching for missing people (85% are young children in children care homes who go missing on a Friday/ Saturday to go to parties and return on a Sunday of own accord because they are tired and hungry).
A lot of calls like above that are not really a police matter (apart from the domestics) but tie up the few remaining officers and "genuine" victims of crime like robbery, burglary vehicle and knife crime have to wait for hours, sometimes days to see officers. There is no more practice patrolling like plain clothes officers in crime hotspots because there are just none left. When the next shift comes on duty, they are immediately tied up with the backlog of never ending 999 calls from the shift before.
If there was 20k more, there would be a) a better service to the members of the public and b) more officers to be proactive in preventing crime rather than responding to it.
Also the biggest problem, specifically in regards to knife crime is the non existent punishment. A person gets caught by police with a knife in his waistband walking around in the city centre. Gets arrested for possession and send to the court. Depending on previous convictions, character etc, sometimes people walk away with a slap on their wrist ie community work.
The government need to wake up and change the punishment. Possession of knives should be a minimum of 2-3 years in prison
A simple domestic incident like verbal argument only between (ex) partners, family members etc with no physical violence takes 2 officers to attend and about and hour to an hour an half to deal with after (paperwork, referrals, checks etc). That's nearly and hour an half out a 9-hour shift.
Put that on top of mental health patients (which can easily take up the whole shift) and searching for missing people (85% are young children in children care homes who go missing on a Friday/ Saturday to go to parties and return on a Sunday of own accord because they are tired and hungry).
A lot of calls like above that are not really a police matter (apart from the domestics) but tie up the few remaining officers and "genuine" victims of crime like robbery, burglary vehicle and knife crime have to wait for hours, sometimes days to see officers. There is no more practice patrolling like plain clothes officers in crime hotspots because there are just none left. When the next shift comes on duty, they are immediately tied up with the backlog of never ending 999 calls from the shift before.
If there was 20k more, there would be a) a better service to the members of the public and b) more officers to be proactive in preventing crime rather than responding to it.
Also the biggest problem, specifically in regards to knife crime is the non existent punishment. A person gets caught by police with a knife in his waistband walking around in the city centre. Gets arrested for possession and send to the court. Depending on previous convictions, character etc, sometimes people walk away with a slap on their wrist ie community work.
The government need to wake up and change the punishment. Possession of knives should be a minimum of 2-3 years in prison
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The reduction in the number of Police is not the only problem, lack of funding for community work is also hitting hard as there is no longer adequate support for young adults and these groups worked with the Police in a preventative manner.
Austerity and the Conservative government is to blame. It's taken time to feel the true effects of the cuts but over the last few years we are really begining to see the terrible impact it is having on society.
Fuck Cameron, Fuck May and Fuck the Conservative party.
Austerity and the Conservative government is to blame. It's taken time to feel the true effects of the cuts but over the last few years we are really begining to see the terrible impact it is having on society.
Fuck Cameron, Fuck May and Fuck the Conservative party.
Does anyone have any evidence contrary to what she's saying? Because it doesn't sound that ridiculous.
I live in what I'd call a small town, and even here it's obvious that the lack of police is having a huge impact on crime levels.
It actually got to the point where we had a public meeting demanding police action.
We did have a few weeks of heightened presence which was brilliant, but then they (understandably) disappeared again.
I mean, she is wrong in that the statistics do indeed show the correlation, but it is impossible to discount other external factors. For example, it has never been easier to get a folding blade concealable knife in this country - just fire up a website like Fasttech and they deliver straight to your door.
This take by May is worse than Abbott's, but Abbott's has the comical value
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...bott-stabbing-javid-home-office-a8812571.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...bott-stabbing-javid-home-office-a8812571.html
Talking out of her arse as usual. Police cuts mean that the police are becoming more reactionary than ever before because that's all they can be. There's just not enough of them. The idea that more police wouldn't help prevent more crime from occurring is absolute shit.
What has she got against the police? Even as Home Secretary she was a massive bellend to them, and that appears to have persisted as Prime Minister. But then I guess "massive bellend" could be the title of her biography at this point.
What has she got against the police? Even as Home Secretary she was a massive bellend to them, and that appears to have persisted as Prime Minister. But then I guess "massive bellend" could be the title of her biography at this point.
She should be somewhere undergoing regular psychiatric care, not in charge on a country. This also applies to some Tory MPs.
Yeah the met chief of police disagrees and he probably knows his shit. Also how does it not sound ridiculous? 20k less officers and huge increases in knife crime but not related cause reasons? It's the definition of a ridiculous statement
On the face of it sure, but is all crime up? Or just knife crime? If crime was directly tied to police numbers, maybe all crimes would be on an upward trend? If it's specifically knife crime, what is it about knife crime that inversely correlates so neatly with lower police numbers?
I'm not suggesting either way, I don't know. I just think knife crime might be harder to solve than throwing more coppers at it, but that might be tales from my arse. I'm just trying to look a bit more critically than the whole Era 'Fuck May' bit.
It seems crazy to me. If the Australian Tory-like tough on crime government had $1 left in the bank they'd spend it on a cop, a cctv camera or just someone to kick a refugee. Decreasing spending to any crime measure is completely unheard of.
So basically the specific tie to knife crime the Met chief made was that they cant afford the send out counter weapons divisions in the way they were before because they're spread thin trying to cover the other types of crime too. Counter weapons teams are often a more 'indirect' fight. It often ends in finding large stashes of weaponry and little to no people to tie them to, but it gets the weapons off the streets. I think what the chief was getting at is that the force is tied up fighting crimes in a responsive manner and don't have the man power to work on preventative measures instead. As a result there's more blades out there and they're having to deal with more responses to stabbings.
Oh lol my bad, it wasn't the Met Chief then but someone else high up in the force. Middle aged Scottish dude was on the news mentioning it a night or two ago. I think the Met Chief also made a similar statement too though.