Bronx-Man

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So yeah, Joyner Lucas. Also known as the guy behind that "I'm Not Racist" track with the guy in the MAGA saying nigger like 15 times and then hugging a black dude a few minutes later. How did he decide to follow up his viral status of "guy with the video that millions of suburban Trump voters shared on Facebook"? With none other than a diss track towards the punching bag of REAL HIP-HOP youtube commenters, Lil' Pump. But the catch here is he's using Pump's own damn song to diss him.


You would think these guys would learn from post-2004 Eminem that rapping really fast and rhyming the first words that come to mind doesn't equate good in 2017. But anyone in HipHopEra could've seen this coming a mile away with the audience he was aiming for on I'm Not Racist. I don't like Gucci Gang but this diss did nothing for me.

Joyner Lucas, everyone! Enjoy the new Hopsin but for kids too embarrassed to listen to Hopsin because their friends that watch Anthony Fantano videos will mock them.
 

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Kendrick's Blacker the Berry is better than Am Not Racist.

"But why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street, WHEN GANGBANGIN MAKE ME KILL A NIGGA BLACKER THAN ME, HYPOCRITE"

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LionPride

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"But why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street, WHEN GANGBANGIN MAKE ME KILL A NIGGA BLACKER THAN ME, HYPOCRITE"

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I got what he was sayin, he's expanded on it in music since then thank God

He went from "Yeah BLM, but we killin our own" to "Yo BLM period and we doin work to stop this gangbangin shit"
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Kendrick's Blacker the Berry is better than Am Not Racist.
I like Kung fu kenny as much as the next guy, but no. I'm not with you on that one.

I got what he was sayin, he's expanded on it in music since then thank God

He went from "Yeah BLM, but we killin our own" to "Yo BLM period and we doin work to stop this gangbangin shit"

Yeah it was cringy. I'm always skeptical when certain celebrities and publications without a lot of diversity start praising something as a "deep social commentary" or something to that effect. It usually turns out to be some sort of appeal to respectability politics.
 

signal

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Anyone making conscious rap videos is corny.

Also gucci gang is last week. 6ix9nine KOODA diss remix where?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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That "I'm not a racist" song is so horribly bad. Lost all respect for him after that. False equivalency rap.
 

MrRob

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I have no idea who Lil Pump is..
the Am not Racist track legit made me pissed off. Nobody's got time and energy to waste on trying to get white trash to understand racism. It's not our job and it's a waste of time.
 
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That "I'm not a racist" song is so horribly bad. Lost all respect for him after that. False equivalency rap.
I didn't really see it that way, but I can understand how one might. The "antagonist" in the song is someone who repeats a LOT of talking points I've seen on the non-chan/hate-reddit corners of the internet and in real life. His talking points stem from the fundamental failure of the American Education system and media to teach context and downplay the horrible history of the United States. When you don't have context you grow up thinking "It's the culture's fault! They idolize the wrong people!" without thinking deeper. I can see how its false equivalency in the sense that it seems to equate racism to name calling and offense, when it is significantly more than that. If that's all that racism is--rudeness and cultural faux pas, then the video would be more poignant, but racism in the US is quite literally a life and death thing. However I think the strength of the video is that it shows how it's important to understand HOW someone gets to the point where they believe certain things because then you can attack the root of the problem instead of the symptoms.
 
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This post is an advertisement for the this dude, though. I wouldn't have heard this lil pump diss otherwise.

Dude can rap. He could fuck around and be the new Big Sean, if he plays he cards right
 

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I still can't believe the I'm not racist video was actually supposed to be a both sides ism from a black man.


Blows my mind.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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As a technical rapper, he's good I guess. His music never works for me for some reason. It's like his flow doesn't work well in the context of a full song. Can't put my finger on it. I will agree that dissing a mumble rapper is pretty corny, and doing it on his own song is wack.

This post is an advertisement for the this dude, though. I wouldn't have heard this lil pump diss otherwise.

Dude can rap. He could fuck around and be the new Big Sean, if he plays he cards right
How is this guy in any way similar to Big Sean?
 

MrRob

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I didn't really see it that way, but I can understand how one might. The "antagonist" in the song is someone who repeats a LOT of talking points I've seen on the non-chan/hate-reddit corners of the internet and in real life. His talking points stem from the fundamental failure of the American Education system and media to teach context and downplay the horrible history of the United States. When you don't have context you grow up thinking "It's the culture's fault! They idolize the wrong people!" without thinking deeper. I can see how its false equivalency in the sense that it seems to equate racism to name calling and offense, when it is significantly more than that. If that's all that racism is--rudeness and cultural faux pas, then the video would be more poignant, but racism in the US is quite literally a life and death thing. However I think the strength of the video is that it shows how it's important to understand HOW someone gets to the point where they believe certain things because then you can attack the root of the problem instead of the symptoms.

Nah, see I fundamentally disagree. I should not have to understand HOW racists get to the point of hating my family and kids. I should not be responsible for educating them on the issues faced by POC every single day. There is a wealth of information out there if they cared enough to become educated about the 'how' they have many different ways to do so. Taking the word of a guy with a skin color they already have prejudice is fantasy land shit. Joyner's rap is nothing more than a liberal wet dream of converting a non-believer with truth bombs. We often have this fantasy that we can embarrass bigots, sexists, climate change deniers, sexual predators, into 'seeing the light' through our well reasoned debates. It's not a reality and we should not waste our time continually running headfirst into those brick walls.
 

LionPride

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I didn't really see it that way, but I can understand how one might. The "antagonist" in the song is someone who repeats a LOT of talking points I've seen on the non-chan/hate-reddit corners of the internet and in real life. His talking points stem from the fundamental failure of the American Education system and media to teach context and downplay the horrible history of the United States. When you don't have context you grow up thinking "It's the culture's fault! They idolize the wrong people!" without thinking deeper. I can see how its false equivalency in the sense that it seems to equate racism to name calling and offense, when it is significantly more than that. If that's all that racism is--rudeness and cultural faux pas, then the video would be more poignant, but racism in the US is quite literally a life and death thing. However I think the strength of the video is that it shows how it's important to understand HOW someone gets to the point where they believe certain things because then you can attack the root of the problem instead of the symptoms.
Dude

The retort by the black man was "It's racism's fault we commit these crimes!" NIGGA WHAT? No that's not what your retort should be to that shit. IDGAF how someone gets to the point where they think I am a worthless nigger who commits crimes and leaves children fatherless. The whole thing was BUNS
 

EightBitNate

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That isn't the point actually

From Genius:

"Kendrick Lamar reveals the nature of the enigmatic hypocrisy that the speaker has previously confessed to three times in the song without elaborating: that he grieved over the murder of Trayvon Martin when he himself has been responsible for the death of a young black man."

Thread derailing here though so feel free to DM me or make a thread if you'd like to continue.
 

Grim

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From Genius:

"Kendrick Lamar reveals the nature of the enigmatic hypocrisy that the speaker has previously confessed to three times in the song without elaborating: that he grieved over the murder of Trayvon Martin when he himself has been responsible for the death of a young black man."

Thread derailing here though so feel free to DM me or make a thread if you'd like to continue.

What's that got to do with police shootings?
 

excelsiorlef

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We at what about black on black crime already?

Damn that's fast

Side note hug your oppressor is such a worthless message.
 

FireSafetyBear

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Trayvon Martin was shot by a pussy wannabe neighborhood watch racist asshole
 

KingM

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Joyner Lucas will soon join Hopsin, Immortant Technique and Macklemore in the suburban-Boise real hip-hop rotation and disappear from everywhere else.
 

EightBitNate

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Is Kendrick directly responsible for racist police officers?

edit: Oh shit I did the same thing as you. Its a sad day when all the black people getting shot blend together

Saw a college friend post something about Sandra Bland on FB today and I thought it was a professor with a similar name for a good two minutes.
 

Davilmar

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I would not describe Joyner Lucas as being a cornball, but I did find the video to be somewhat good. I found it useful since it demonstrated that we are going to have to confront racists and those with prejudice, one way or another. The ending was incredibly corny with the idea of hugging it out with someone who had a direct animus toward people of color. That almost never works.
 

AnansiThePersona

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Yeah I don't like Gucci Gang either but this "diss" is mad flaccid. And "Im Not Racist" rubbed me the wrong way and felt like a handjob to the "both sides" "right way to protest" type people. Honestly I didn't think his flow or production were bad on not racist but the lyrics and overall message lost me.
 

Gifted

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I'm confused, he's a cornball for making a diss track targeted at another artist? Lil Pump is on the Billboard top 100, is averaging 2 million Instagram followers a month and has passed people like 21 Savage and Uzi on that front. So what makes him a no no for a diss track? Because he's 17?

It's part of the culture. Diss tracks are what rappers do. If anything, Lil Pump is quite the shit talker so I don't understand why he's off limits. Everyone hated on Yachty and other "mumble rappers" and Lil Pump happens to be the one who's popular at the moment. Let them live.

Edit: also this, as far as he should've went viral for Ross Cappicchioni, not that I'm not racist is terrible, because it's not. -

Joyner lucas is great, too bad he went viral with such a terrible song.

He should be known for Ross Capicchioni
 
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Dude

The retort by the black man was "It's racism's fault we commit these crimes!" NIGGA WHAT? No that's not what your retort should be to that shit. IDGAF how someone gets to the point where they think I am a worthless nigger who commits crimes and leaves children fatherless. The whole thing was BUNS
Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but from what I remember, the protagonist stated how policies and evil intentions created a system that led to his struggle and tried to expand the definition of racism to something more than "guy who says bad things" There is a system of white supremacy designed to thwart black men and women and children at every attempt at living a peaceful life and having equal access to the same resources as everyone else. The black character sought to point out how the other person was wrong in his assumptions that he commits crimes and does whatever because he's just lazy and there is something wrong with his character rather than he is just an individual who has been traumatized by a system that hates him. I'm with you on the point that it is not your job to respond to someone who views you some kind of way and try to educate them. But allowing them to say what they want about you without responding isn't really a viable method either. In the music video they were both inside a room that neither of them could leave. If you know what kind of talking points the person will use against you by knowing how racism evolved throughout the country's history and how so many white people are blind to it, you can cut through the bull shit and know exactly what someone is going to say before they say it. I agree that it is too easy to see false equivalency in the video, but I think the video is aimed at white viewers to actually take a minute and think about their views before expressing them. Many people that I know who repeat the talking points in that music video don't see themselves as racist because they've largely hung around other white people who have never offered alternative explanations. The way racism is talked about in white america is nothing like how black americans discuss it. It's just boiled down to "don't say XYZ words, don't hurt anyone" instead of "America is built upon systematic white supremacy and has been set up in such a way that whatever you can achieve with hard work, another person has to try ten times as much"

Nah, see I fundamentally disagree. I should not have to understand HOW racists get to the point of hating my family and kids. I should not be responsible for educating them on the issues faced by POC every single day. There is a wealth of information out there if they cared enough to become educated about the 'how' they have many different ways to do so. Taking the word of a guy with a skin color they already have prejudice is fantasy land shit. Joyner's rap is nothing more than a liberal wet dream of converting a non-believer with truth bombs. We often have this fantasy that we can embarrass bigots, sexists, climate change deniers, sexual predators, into 'seeing the light' through our well reasoned debates. It's not a reality and we should not waste our time continually running headfirst into those brick walls.

I see where you're coming from, but like I said in the response above, it is both important to know the talking points that the person will use against you, and important to feel like you can do something other than walk away and allow them to hold onto the viewpoints they have. They go through much of their lives interacting with other people who don't challenge their viewpoints. This is how pernicious racism is in America. A person could simultaneously believe that black culture is inherently violent and lazy while believing they are not racist. This kind of contradiction only can exist when one does not even have an understanding of what racism is. It isn't your job to debate them or put them in their place, but when someone throws a "What about black on black crime?" at you and you say nothing, they take that as a win. If you threaten to knock them out, they take that as a win. These are people who are walking around everyday thinking that they are right about what they believe because other white people don't check them on these beliefs, because a lot of white people too are not aware of racism as something woven into the culture and law of the country they live in.

I see what Joyner lucas is trying to do with the song, especially since as a listener I found myself surprised at how on point all of the talking points of the antagonist were(in the sense of how eerily accurate they are to so many white people I've interacted with). These are things I've heard millions of times, it's like a script that white people in America are forced to memorize as children and it's helpful to hear someone respond to that in a more thoughtful way that doesn't legitimize whataboutism or moving goal posts.
 

SageShinigami

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"But why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street, WHEN GANGBANGIN MAKE ME KILL A NIGGA BLACKER THAN ME, HYPOCRITE"

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I see how this can get under some folks skin, but....I dunno. I'm black, but I'm not from anything resembling the hood so I don't feel qualified to comment on dude's struggle like that. If that's how he feels then ain't no sense in me getting all "thinkpiece" about it.

Anyway, I'm still too lazy to check out Joyner Lucas. I keep hearing he's dumb talented though.
 

stufte

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Lil' Pump sounds like the stage name of a lazy porn star.