It's almost as if most normal people have no fucking idea that even happened
Some of you live in a fucking bubble, I swear
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THQ Nordic voted 'Best Games Company' of Gamescom 2019
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It's almost as if most normal people have no fucking idea that even happened
Some of you live in a fucking bubble, I swear
Wtf are you talking about? Look at this thread with people saying how excited they are about THQs output. Even when they KNOW about it, they choose not to care. It's not about a bubble. Hell, look at the poster a few posts above this one congratulating them and saying it's "well deserved".
And this just sums up why discussion on this subject is so difficult here. I'm not defending with THQ Nordic did, but let's not pretend that they're actively and continuously supporting Nazis and pedophiles even after the 8Chan debacle.
A) Regardless of what they did, many decent people work under the THQ Nordic banner. Let's not spread misinformation and stick to the facts.
B) Kind of a side step but something I want to bring up after reading some of the thread - let's also not judge people for simply liking the games that THQ Nordic publish. Those of you against them are more than entitled to vote with your wallets, but equally people shouldn't be lambasted for acknowledging the bad whilst continuing to enjoy their hobby.
Resetera is pretty much the only place still acknowledging what happened at THQ Nordic, but i do sorely agree that: You're free to express your opinion, but do not harass people who want to discuss about THQ games or simply don't care about the politics behind the company.
This is completely unacceptable.
Also, the amount of generalising in this thread is astonishing, I am not normally one to get involved in conversations like this because the emotions often carry the discourse beyond reason but I have to say something in this instance.
There are a lot of people on here that have empathy for others, for groups that are at a disadvantage in life and that is one of many reasons why I love this site.
However, when I see things like "gamers are trash" which is a sweeping generalisation, especially considering most people on this site are also gamers, heck, even my 6 year old plays games, it makes me very uncomfortable.
I understand that "gamers" is somewhat ideological with a sub-section of this culture but you have to remember that, when compared to the vast number of people who play games it is a very small, irrelevant, group of people.
It's the "social media effect" that causes people to believe these are large entities, even when looking at something like Twitter when a subject is trending, it doesn't mean anything, there are about 300 million active users a month on Twitter and about 7.4 billion humans on the earth, that's around 4% of the population who use Twitter, in other words, not a lot of people but Twitter amplifies itself as some sort of important voice.
Language is important and the way you use it can have a huge impact on others, I feel like if we want to stand for what's right we need to start addressing the individuals, rather than the groups.
I mean, this post right here is generalising all Germans as Nazis, that's the state of discourse right now, unacceptable, I am not German myself but I feel like that's incredibly unfair and bigoted to suggest such a thing.
I realise that passion gets the better of all of us but I do feel like some of you need to restrain yourself before posting and review what you write.
As far as THQ Nordiq are concerned, it hires 1000s of developers, all of which have families and make great games, two people who decide to post on a disgusting bigoted website does not mean we should punish all those people who have nothing to do with that.
The reality is, the people who did that AMA should face reprecussions, I don't think that's going to happen but should that stop you supporting the developers you love who have poured their hearts into projects and who have nothing to do with 8chan whatsoever?
I am also sorry if this post upsets anybody, I don't like the idea of upsetting others but I felt like it needed to be said because I think we should be setting a good example here rather than making sweeping generalisations, that's the very thing we should be standing against imo.
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Yeah they're congratulating developers that have absolutely nothing to do with 2 community people who made a dumbass move
What do you realistically want to happen here? have the whole company lambasted?
You people have issues
Not cool, man. Germany is among the least nazi-tolerant countries on Earth.
Their games look awesome. What's hard to understand about that? Don't demonize people who choose to like THQ Nordic's games.
The "two community people" has actually one of them sitting at the top of management:
See Reinhard Pollice.
"Business & Product Development Director/Executive Producer at THQ Nordic"
It was more than two people. And it was more than just a "dumb move". They knew where they were going to hold the AMA at and then jokingly participated in all the bigotry and shit during the AMA.
So let's say a company like Disney had a couple idiots do some idiotic stuff. You would stop consuming anything related to Disney, ignore the work of thousands or millions of people, just because 2 idiots did something wrong?
Not the entire company indeed. Just one of the person in charge:
Business & Product Development Director/Executive Producer at THQ Nordic
No, but the company proceeded to do nothing afterwards despite signalboostling Nazis, pedos and other shitgibbons of humanity.
Is disheartening to see a company that did something so bad walk away so freely of any actual brand damage.
Does it matter? It was one of the directors of the company and said company didn't even fire them. The top execs basically stood behind, as a company, these individuals and supported them. They never fully apologized for the incident.
Does it matter? It was one of the directors of the company and said company didn't even fire them. The top execs basically stood behind, as a company, these individuals and supported them. They never fully apologized for the incident.
OH. I wasn't aware of that. I expected this to go like Desperados 2 and Helldorado went. This is now far more interesting!
You can choose to not accept their weakass apology, boycott their games and continue to highlight their shitty behaviour whenever they are mentioned, but that doesn't mean it's okay to attack others and make them feel guilty for accepting the apology and wanting to support developers/franchises that are unfortunately under the Embracer/Nordic umbrella.
It's not a good vs bad/black and white situation.
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It's wrong to blame the devs for the actions of the higher ups, many of whom were angry and disgusted with what they did as well and if it was one of the companies under THQ Nordic like Handy Games, Gunfire or Black Forest, their wouldn't be a problem.
However, THQ Nordic itself? Yeah no, I would really like to know WHAT they were using to determine the results or what the companies were being judged on because yes, when your top brass are communicating publicly with the likes of 8Chan, that reflex horribly on the company as a whole like it would for any other think if Phil Spencer decided to pull similar crap officially for the Xbox Brand?
However, THQ Nordic itself? Yeah no, I would really like to know WHAT they were using to determine the results or what the companies were being judged on because yes, when your top brass are communicating publicly with the likes of 8Chan, that reflex horribly on the company as a whole like it would for any other think if Phil Spencer decided to pull similar crap officially for the Xbox Brand?
Other people from the PR department were involved. The AMA wasn't just something thrown together by two people.
And I don't like how fraternizing with & signalboosting Nazis and pedos is categorized as "just some idiotic stuff". Like, they didn't just hold a professional AMA that just happened to go wrong despite their best efforts to keep it on track, they participated in the horrible discourse among all the racism, pedo stuff and all.
There's nothing wrong with people that think THQ Nordic deserves the award or that they chose not to care about the ama incident anymore or that are willing to buy their games even if they care.
Don't demonize said users.
There's also nothing wrong with users that feel offended by what happened and decide to boycott their games.
Yup, absolutely embarrassing posts in here. Why is it so hard for the industry and "gamers" to stay holding companies accountable for utter nonsense ?
Will buy Desperados 3 day one because I want to support Mimimi Productions.
Love them for bringing back real time tactics genre.
Thank you for this great, rational post in its entirety. In particular the "Gamers are trash" generalization also rubs me the wrong way and I wonder why it's allowed here on a gaming oriented site, I see it used far too often. Shitty generalizations suck. Don't let some minority of shitbags own that. I don't identify as a "gamer", but it used to be a nice description of people enjoying video games.
Jesus, THANK YOU. Finally someone able to post a fair assessment of the whole thing instead of criticising and crucifying a 1000+ employee business because of an out of touch / ignorant / call-it-whatever-you-want minority.
Keep fighting the good fight mate. Posts like this one are proof that there's intelligent life around these parts.
NO SECOND CHANCES FOR ANYONE EVER!
Honestly what sort of rationale is that. Given their actions, apology and the fact they haven't engaged in that sort of behaviour since Im more than happy to support some of the games they're putting out.
I don't understand how anyone can come to the conclusion that they're "complicit" in child porn or terrorism. Think some of y'all need a dictionary.
The award is deserved, they showed some cracking games and I'm hoping BioMutant will be fantastic.
What action did THQ take after those staff members supported 8chan?
It doesn't fucking matter. Are all Americans stupid pieces of shit because their president is Donald J. Trump? Generalisation galore. Fucking hot takes everywhere.
While this is a terrible take, it's actually a great demonstrator of why someone on top being involved is important. Company culture starts from the top and spreads downward.
Donald Trump being elected didn't make everyone in America racist, no. But it did result in an explosion of white supremacist violence, because the person at the top validating that sort of behaviour sent waves throughout the culture that told the many people who were interested in participating in it that it's normal and acceptable. And, hey hey, a lot of the most recent, visible expressions of that violence have been associated with the website that this whole THQ Nordic controversy revolved around - a website that Donald Trump actually tweeted an anti-Semitic meme from.
Donald Trump being a blatant racist is very different from some janitor in a strip mall being a blatant racist in terms of its effect. The same is true in a company; the person on the board of directors is going to have a much different effect than some random dev.
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I think at this point that it should be obvious that most people aren't going to change their minds unless there is a pattern of bad behavior shown. One incident, which was apologized for no matter how poorly, is not going to be enough for most people to permanently write off every developer under their umbrella.
Does it mean all the company is bad ? No.
But it means it's not someone not in charge. It's actually someone at the top.
Thank you for this. If it were up to some users, the notion of boycotting something would be considered an abhorrent behaviour as a means to retaliate against bigotry. It's a quagmire alright but in the end, there are no consequences in a system that criticizes something to only later fund it directly or indirectly.
Agreed. At the end of the day, 99% of the gaming community has no idea of the 8chan stuff and I'd argue most probably wouldn't care even if they did.
A poor apology and lack of significant action after this is huge considering what it was they were supporting. This is an example of how this kind of awful behaviour is being normalized.
The developers under them should be acknowledged for their work, THQ should continue to be called out for their terrible response to their high up staff members supporting aonething so disgusting.
Indeed, it wasn't a very good take, because I'm unintentionally giving ammunition for posts like this trying to justify a boycott to a company that has a tradition, history and obviously mostly very good people.
Yes, company culture spreading downwards is a well recognised phenomenon, but this isn't about culture, this is about the actions and ignorance of a few - which by the way, already apologised.
I'm out, it seems that some think that "justice" here is only won by termination, death or anything in between. Bunch of pristine, perfectly good people.
Show me Reinhard Pollice's apology.
As for the boycott, I never even mentioned that. But while we're here, I'm again - as in literally every time this discussion happens - going to ask why this
is only something that we should be obligated to give money to when it's related to someone being racist or validating pedophiles or something. No one cares about other people's purchasing decisions when it comes to graphics, or gameplay, or genre, or story, or anything else that doesn't have some kind of ethical component. We don't care about the poor innocent starving devs then.
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