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Tim Rogers' 3 Hour Video Review of Final Fantasy VII Remake.
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I never understood these long reviews. If they cannot get their message across, if they even have a point to their video at all, in less than an hour let alone 3 then maybe they are just bad writers. Same with that other guy that makes 4 hour "reviews"
Good video. I don't agree with everything he says, specifically about the battle system and hard mode. Though he does raise a lot of good points, and I agree with his overall feelings. Though, I wish people would stop talking about Nomura as if he's the sole creator of this game and give all the other directors and writers credit too.
A video doesn't always exist solely to get across "a point". Tim Rogers definitely has a strong personality and way of speaking, and fans of his videos (myself included), enjoy the mixture of his type of story-telling in videos and hyper-detailed focus on various elements. No other video is going to both talk about how the people in his dorm room reacted to the original FFVII and exactly how many minutes of the Remake is spent climbing ladders.
A video doesn't always exist solely to get across "a point". Tim Rogers definitely has a strong personality and way of speaking, and fans of his videos (myself included), enjoy the mixture of his type of story-telling in videos and hyper-detailed focus on various elements. No other video is going to both talk about how the people in his dorm room reacted to the original FFVII and exactly how many minutes of the Remake is spent climbing ladders.
They're video essays exploring a topic.
The fact that you're equating economy with quality when it comes to writing says you're probably not much of a critic yourself.
The long videos are good because they function, for me, more like an entertaining essay. His videos have perspective and personality, while offering artistic criticism--which is important because the existence of criticism does a lot of work in establishing a medium as a "real" art. A lot of video game reviews feel like they are assessments. By that I mean they read like disembodied voices spending half their time telling you what a game consists of and the other half of the time rationalizing why it is good or bad in a way that most avid game players could probably have been surmised from preview footage. I like Tim's stuff because 1. He'll probably teach me something I didn't know before and, 2. It's just a guy talking about a thing he likes. The pretense of--what we come to expect as--a "review," isn't there and instead he writes in a way that matches his character's personality. These aren't reviews for people wondering if they should buy FF7, they are reviews of a piece of art through a specific perspective.
Like most of his videos, probably. Dude desperately needs an editor.
Hard disagree, and the conflation of value being based around how quickly a "message" is presented is you playing yourself out of thoughtful engagement in a topic. That's not to say you have to like this long form of video, but a review isn't solely to evaluate a market value of something, it's a personal perspective. Tim has a unique perspective at that, which is highlighted throughout the entirety of the video and showcases more of the essayistic quality of criticism he's interested in. What do you say about multiple books on the same topic with varying lengths? Are certain ones worse solely because it doesn't meet some arbitrary length standard?
No other video review told me that Aerith says Shit in this game, therefore this is the best one.
The point of the video is to literally listen to him speak. He has a very unique writing style. You won't find any review like this on the internet. Some people won't like it, and it's fine, but for people who it resonates with (like yourself and myself), it's a breath of fresh air
I've had the game on pause on Chapter 14 for over two weeks and honestly this review dropping is the biggest possible motivator i have to finish it
Because there's a lot of stuff in the video that you can't get from playing the game.
Your condescending suggestion presumes there is no entertainment value to the video itself
also, if anything I wish i could get my 25 hours back from FF7R
Agreed. These epic 3 he plus reviews people are doing about all kinds of things seems incredibly self indulgent most of the time.
Because I can't play FFVIIR and build Gunpla at the same time.
What's the point of 800 page novels when comic books are 20?
The indulgence is the fun.
What do you mean by "their message?" Is there one interesting thing to relay per game or something?
The length of many OTs on this very site are proof people enjoy talking about games for longer than 3 hours.
Funny people saying he needs to edit. Even without watching it yet, I guarantee he's spent more time and effort refining this than any mainstream video review/script in existence.
I tried, this is insufferable haha, it's too bad he doesn't speak in a more, I dunno, normal way as opposed to doing a character. I would however read the transcript.
Agreed, although I'm not sure what's worse - someone who wants to watch a 3 hour game review or someone who thinks other people want to watch their 3 hour game review.
cool, I'll watch this sometime during the week when I'm catching up with my other weekly video essays.
these kinds of longform video essays usually have more to say about a game than "haha its good ok buy product now". Their length is a testament to their depth and willingness to critique and interface, not some side-effect of a bloated approach or inexperienced writer, at least in most cases.
Also, not everyone watching these spends 3 hours straight glued to the screen. I usually listen to these while I work. It's a nice experience, and not really a waste of time for the insight gained? especially coming from an excellent writer like Noah Caldwell Gervais or the above Rogers. It's no different than listening to a podcast or talk radio.
these kinds of longform video essays usually have more to say about a game than "haha its good ok buy product now". Their length is a testament to their depth and willingness to critique and interface, not some side-effect of a bloated approach or inexperienced writer, at least in most cases.
Also, not everyone watching these spends 3 hours straight glued to the screen. I usually listen to these while I work. It's a nice experience, and not really a waste of time for the insight gained? especially coming from an excellent writer like Noah Caldwell Gervais or the above Rogers. It's no different than listening to a podcast or talk radio.
I don't consume or talk about anything in units of time longer than a tiktok. 3 hours! surely no one can have a conversation about something that goes for 3 hours
who has conversations anymore when you can just tweet your opinion into the void
I look forward to the 15 hour full Remake review when Tim's 50.
edit: He lays out his review philosophy and method in the first ten minutes. Try watching the video.
edit: He lays out his review philosophy and method in the first ten minutes. Try watching the video.
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He even says in the video he'd like to use the Patreon success to hire on two editors. Anyone thinking all of this won't be long is kidding themselves. This has been Tim for 15+ years.
1hr 40 mins in so far and no pointless padding or circling yet. The first bit is a little preamble about structure and method
That's exactly what I thought when I read someone made a 3hr video review of a game.
No one else Will tell you precisely how long you spend climbing ladders, walking across beams, or holding trying to open doors in a videogame
aka how much of your time a videogame wastes.
aka how much of your time a videogame wastes.
no need to keep embarrassing yourself by trying to knock down someones hard work. its always clear when people cant comprehend the idea of making something. your comments are not even critiques, theyre just garbage