Quit mis-characterizing the blowback you're getting and victimizing yourself. It's not an "opinion" that's going to get you banned, and you know it.
Tim Sweeney: Epic Games will cover future refunds and work with other stores to ensure key availability for crowdfunded games that go Epic exclusive
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Quit mis-characterizing the blowback you're getting and victimizing yourself. It's not an "opinion" that's going to get you banned, and you know it.
Wait, I thought it was quite different from console exclusives, how is it the oldest trick in the industry then?
Oh I'm not saying it's moral, but if you're concerned about corporations making moral decisions, I wouldn't be ponying up money to their concept art and napkin pitches 4+ years in advance.
Bottom line remains this: don't pre-order games and don't crowdfund games.
It's because you ignore context that has been posted in every single thread about EGS. Educate yourself or you'll end up getting warned or banned as many other users have.
EDIT: wow watta surprise he was banned :^)
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Buying a user base from another company and making them use your software so they can access what they already paid for is 101 unethical in the PC space. Educate yourself about it.
If the options are either:
A) I get no money back
B) I get money back for a product I no longer wish to support
Then your flippant response is objectively wrong. Unless you just like to give away money, in which case I have a Paypal account you can contribute to out of the goodness of your heart.
So you're saying it's OK to buy exclusives because of the length of time it's been going on? This is some weird logic.
This is fair criticism if the kickstarter promised steam keys specifically, but in future crowdfundings, if they just promise pc copies, then it shouldn't be a problem. In this case I understand it's scummy from shenmue 3, but I was talking about the "ruining future kickstarter projects" discussion.
People have no interest in funding games that are at risk of epic exclusivity, even if that was made clear from the outset.
If I pledge money for a project and the developer completes the product but doesn't offer it under the same conditions under which I gave them the money in the first place, a refund should be basic common courtesy. There's no need for anyone to be grateful about that.
If I send you money are you gonna spend it on a dictionary to look up what "objectively" means?
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They probably wouldn't cover a refund for a non-Steam version.
They also promised PC DVDs physical copies. The ones you can play without any DRM and without downloading. They have now changed that to all physical copies will come with just an Epic key, no DVD. They're forcing those people that don't have a way to download the game to use the Epic store.
Probably not, but I'm hoping.
If they don't, I'm selling my copy immediately. I refuse to patronize this scummy shit.
If only Epic would put 1/10th of the effort into their store, as they do taking games away from other platforms.
I don't understand people who actively want to harm the developers of Shenmue III in the hopes that they won't ever make another Shenmue game, even to the point of trying to get a refund for a non-Steam pledge. Do you hate Shenmue and its developers that much? Do you not want any other beloved, no longer selling franchises to get remade? They aren't going to assume a PS4 refund has anything whatsoever to do with the Steam/Epic Store issue, so you wouldn't be sending them any message about that.
So they made a bad decision with their choice of a publisher (though that decision meant the game was able to be far more complete than if they had gone with just the Kickstarter money). I don't think the developers should get punished that hard for making a mistake.
So they made a bad decision with their choice of a publisher (though that decision meant the game was able to be far more complete than if they had gone with just the Kickstarter money). I don't think the developers should get punished that hard for making a mistake.
If Epic cared about games this is what they would do. The problem for them is that games take years to make and EGS is interested in gaining market share right now. Generally they have been announcing exclusivity for games releasing within a year. They swoop in at the last minute on games with guaranteed user bases because the users are what they want.
That would be a risk.
Risk that we all took by funding Shenmue 3.
It's way easier when that risk is already taken, game is taking form and then BOOM you swipe the carpet from under everyone's feet with some sweet 'fuck you' money.
Yep. He wants to take down the 'Steam monopoly'...by building one.
In other words, "oh, we're going to keep doing it. You can just have your money back or whatever."
Pretty shitty.
Pretty shitty.
They can't squander all that shady market research they did with SteamSpy.
There is a search bar at the top of the page for a reason. Odd that you chose to ignore it while being so confused.
good guy epic
seriously though, this is probably the best outcome one could have hoped for in this situation
seriously though, this is probably the best outcome one could have hoped for in this situation
That would take flair in regards to finding good pitches and studio as well as time.
They just want to buy an audience right now.
He's completely full of shit, half of his statements regarding the store and their practices have been disingenuous bullshit.
He walked back that statement on twitter not even a month after he made it, maybe only a week I can't remember.
Yeah but Metro didn't sold too hot so he tried again, this time with a game people already theorically bought so that they have no choice to use his platform.
Long story short: Don't take a CEO's words for granted, ever.
Guess I won't back any games for the PC platform then. Thanks Tim Epic for ruining Kickstarters.
Because then amazing games like shovel knight, hollow knight, bloodstained, undertale, ftl, divinity original sin 1-2, hyper light drifter, darkest dungeon, super hot, pillars of eternity 1&2, and many others wouldn't get made. That's why you kickstart them.
This does not need to be the death of Kickstarter games. Just ensure the language is clear as to how the game will be delivered and hopefully the developers answer the EGS question directly like Supraland 2: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/supragames/supraland-2/faqs
We've had developers lie about what their funding going to, projects mismanaged in an almost criminal fashion, some be delayed for several years after their target date, and outright steal from people and never get compensated but Epic is killing kickstarter?
Cmon now, there's plenty of other things to criticize that are way more legitimate than this (I will openly admit to using EGS as its differences don't bother me but I'm also aware and understand people's issues with it)
I think it's whatever since this nowhere near the most egregious turn that a funded project has undergone, as long as the funded project actually exists then I consider it a win in my book, especially since I've backed projects that have disappeared without a trace.
Cmon now, there's plenty of other things to criticize that are way more legitimate than this (I will openly admit to using EGS as its differences don't bother me but I'm also aware and understand people's issues with it)
I think it's whatever since this nowhere near the most egregious turn that a funded project has undergone, as long as the funded project actually exists then I consider it a win in my book, especially since I've backed projects that have disappeared without a trace.
The big point out of all of those games. Epic wasn't around for that, and now Epic has poisoned the well.
So Epic buying kickstarter backers like cattle isn't a legitimate concern? Forcing users to use their barebones launcher instead of a fully featured one? Killing Linux ports out the gate?
I mean the whole raison d'etre for Kickstarter are projects that can't get conventional funding from publishers who need to rely on backers.
Tim's basically breaking that kayfabe here and saying Epic could be funding it themselves if it takes off so yeah people are gonna ask why the fuck should I bother and lay out an interest free loan.
I'm not sure how anyone can trust KS backed games again if the threat of someone (namely Epic) buying out exclusivity will always be looming around.
KS has always been a interest free loan, but now with the added risk of not getting exactly what you were promised even if the product was succesfully completed.
KS has always been a interest free loan, but now with the added risk of not getting exactly what you were promised even if the product was succesfully completed.
I'd guess because the game has already marketed itself to their audience. Epic doesn't have to try to gamble on winners and losers, they're just grabbing games that have an established founding either through Kickstarter or games that were previous listed on Steam and got some interest there.
Seems like rather than take submissions and curate them themselves, they're going out and spending money on things that have already generated interest on other platforms. In the process, they're killing the idea of crowdfunding for a lot of people, and I bet that Steam changes some of their terms to prevent or discourage games from being listed on their service only to be dropped because of some other exclusivity agreement.
Gotta be honest, this is really souring me on the idea of crowdfunding. And I've backed a *lot* of games.