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Todd Howard blames Sony for no cross play in Fallout 76 (No plans to add currently - Post #950)
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Todd Howard isn't even saying anything outside of blame Sony.
So, listen to no one. Step back and think how this could be a multitude of complicated issues that could easily have nothing to do with Sony or MS at all.
I would like more information to have a greater understanding of everything at play.
No kidding, I never said I did...
Really? Here I thought they where indie. So you mean to tell me they would know what they are talking about in regards to something being too much for them to do without crossplay? Huh.
Show me where they said that.
Actually, I believe they where annoyed that Sony wasn't being helpful. I mean, if you actually read the interview. "The PlayStation group was not as helpful as we would all like."
They didn't just go and shut the door before trying. This is obviously something that you don't just do if there was a chance of things happening any other way. Also, there is something to be said of supporting the wants of fellow devs in the industry and trying to back positive trends.
Come the fuck on Sony. Stop holding us back. We all know it's possible, the people want it, the developers want to do it, it's a flip of the switch. Get your head out of your ass and let crossplay exist.
The game isn't crossplay, so it clearly isn't built around cross-play is my point (there's nothing negative about cross-play though, it's only a positive bonus, but not my point), so Bethesda using it as a reason to cancel the PS4 version would not fly for a lot of consumers.
Anyone who thinks the solution is to announce games and then cancel them because of Sony not wanting to play nice with other consoles over cross-play are just being ridiculous. And that would be far more anti consumer than what Sony is doing, which is more just being petty arsehole, than anything.
Lol, the information is all there. Todd isn't the only developer calling out Sony on this issue. Only fanboys could deny or defend it at this point.
Yeah, it totally wouldn't be because crossplay between consoles makes wayy more sense from a competitive standpoint.
That does not seem to coincide with the reality we're dealing with to think this has nothing to do with sony if the main dude is saying blame sony.
Wait, it isn't?! Why would they do this if the whole cross play thing is such a big deal? It's probably a performance issue I bet.
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The issues surrounding console cross-play on the few games pushing for it isn't at all the same. If you wish to be reductive in your understanding then so bid. Btw, I am not even siding with Sony on their policy. :)
As another poster replied to me with, (paraphrasing here) F76 is a new area for Bethesda. This could be a multitude of technical issues. We just don't know because Howard simply blames Sony for it. I am not even saying that ultimately Sony would just allow console cross-play for F76. Would be silly for all the issues surrounding the other games. I am just saying that (for me at least) the issues with F76 not having cross-play even if Xbox/PC only is more complicated than just Sony being the jackoffs as they have been.
To be clear, I am also not saying people should lessen the pressure on Sony for their ass backwards policy.
Shawn Layden and the boys better act fast.
I know he said they're trying to work something out that the gamers would accept and would still work for Sony's business side, but I fear that not only will that be years away, but will be a half-assed effort that won't allow TRUE crossplay with other consoles.
I know he said they're trying to work something out that the gamers would accept and would still work for Sony's business side, but I fear that not only will that be years away, but will be a half-assed effort that won't allow TRUE crossplay with other consoles.
Listen to the lead by all means, but it doesn't tell us much about cross-play between other platforms.
I questioned someone else; hence it wasn't addressd accordingly.
I questioned him because the user happened to post on the last page I was reading in this thread.
I have read the thread.
I just would personally go on the side of if a technical issue is stopping this, Todd would have said that and not pushed blame anywhere. The guy had been in this industry almost as long as I have been alive, you don't namedrop someone in a situation like this unless you're really frustrated.
If there's no cross play whatsoever for anything then we can wait and see for what's up there, sure, but I think you can still take a lot in from just a simple message of blaming sony from a respected dev like Todd.
Because I don't want to? I never said everyone is an apologist. I said there are apologists in this thread.
Speculate to your heart's content.
You've lost me here. What?
And what happened. Sony announced a bundle with Fortnite that will assuredly sell a lot. Howard made one comment. While good do you think this is going to put pressure on anyone to do anything? People will buy Fallout 76 for their preferred platform and move on.
This won't work until you get enough companies like Bethesda to put their games on Switch, and let Sony take L after L and finally start to change.
There's a "valid" excuse to all examples of cross play so far:
Rocket League: it's an indie game which has already been given for free to enough PS4 players, and there is cross play with PC.
Minecraft: it's a Microsoft product so duh, of course they would want to.
Fortnite: it's an smaller free game and there are more PS4's.
A game like Fallout 76 might not crossplay with PC since those playing a shooter on PC could be at an advantage.
There's a "valid" excuse to all examples of cross play so far:
Rocket League: it's an indie game which has already been given for free to enough PS4 players, and there is cross play with PC.
Minecraft: it's a Microsoft product so duh, of course they would want to.
Fortnite: it's an smaller free game and there are more PS4's.
A game like Fallout 76 might not crossplay with PC since those playing a shooter on PC could be at an advantage.
See, I am not saying Howard is wrong. I just don't think it is the sole reason for no cross-play for F76. This is where my head is at on this.
I certainly don't subscribe to the "Howard is lying! Sony are Gods! Bow and praise their greatness!" club.
Lol and that's a horrible stance for any pub to take and would diminish what they set out to do. People would look to them as punishing gamers.
Honestly, we need more of the big publishers expressing the need for cross play on consoles. Bethesda is good but we need EA, Ubisoft and Activision (unlikely) to being more expressive.
Sorry, I just saw this. This is why:
You make it sound like Sony wouldn't care that third party games would be more attractive in rival hardware.
Third party games is a major part of Sony's strategy. This can't keep going long term, especially if crossplay become more prevalent in the next generation.
In order for developers to get Sony to agree, I think they'd really have to take a stand and choose to not develop their game for the PS4 unless they agreed to do it. So far, only Microsoft has done it with Minecraft. The more developers that follow that, the more likely Sony would be willing to budge. The only issue is that it would be a lot of money left on the table for them to simply skip a PS4 version.
I think sharing the sentiment in question across multiple threads will lead some of the users down a slippery slope. I'll leave it at that.
How about that PC to Xbox cross play with Mouse and Keyboard enabled tho God Howard?
Id like to play on a couch and 4K TV with a friend who plays on pc.
Id like to play on a couch and 4K TV with a friend who plays on pc.
That would be ballsy for developers to do that. Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen, especially the smaller or indie developers.
The good thing here is that this is just another developer publicly calling Sony out.
The common counter-argument is that "gamers don't care about cross-play," and while that's true for a majority of gamers, people need to realize that DEVELOPERS ALSO WANT CROSS-PLAY.
Sony's not only making anti-gamer moves here, but they're upsetting developers like Epic, Bethesda, and Psyonix who have all publicly said they'd want it in their games. And even EA said recently that cross-play would be a net benefit for FIFA players.
The common counter-argument is that "gamers don't care about cross-play," and while that's true for a majority of gamers, people need to realize that DEVELOPERS ALSO WANT CROSS-PLAY.
Sony's not only making anti-gamer moves here, but they're upsetting developers like Epic, Bethesda, and Psyonix who have all publicly said they'd want it in their games. And even EA said recently that cross-play would be a net benefit for FIFA players.
Oh man. Sony should totally call their bluff and give the green light on console crossplay. Todd will look so silly!
I'm definitely not suggesting they cancel the game but if Sony is somehow having an influence on how they should make it then that to me is not ok. It's probably a lot easier to just offer crossplay with everyone from a developers point of view.
Why do you have such a tough time focusing on Sony even when a developer actually names them? You say a bunch of stuff then retract or try to correct what it is you are saying. It just sounds so wishy washy.
Definitely, but I think that would hit Sony and really PS4 only gamers who don't care, hardest to want to demand it.
Cancelling the game for PS4 would alleviate any roadblock to cross-play.
They want you to buy a PS4 if you want to play with your PS4 friends. If Sony allows full cross-play with all other platforms that's one potential selling point for the console gone.
How do you cross play with PS4 if there is no PS4 version? If it is pc/Xbox cross play they can achieve that anyway.
It would also alleviate a good chunk of their staff from their paychecks.
I thought because PS4 wasn't open to cross play that it was off the table completely for all consoles regarding Fallout 76?
Either way though it would probably be a big enough action for Sony to change their policy if a game this big missed it's platform due to their cross play stance .
This is entirely speculation on your part. The poster you're referring to didn't even say what you're claiming they said. As speculation on why BGS doesn't simply have different "groups" of cross play platforms, that poster brought up the possibility that BGS doesn't want to have to worry about splitting off servers to different platform groups.
Multiple developers for major games like Fortnite, Minecraft, Rocket League, Fallout, etc. have all clearly said Sony is the hold up. When asked to clarify, Sony basically confirms what we're being told by people like Todd Howard. You claim you aren't "on Sonys side". But you're spreading FUD in an effort to make this issue more complicated and harder to understand than it is.
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