Most of it is asinine. If they wanted to take out panty shots, fine. But painting over skin in a friggin' wedding dress and ruining the design? Stupid.
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Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore announced for Nintendo Switch!
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Most of it is asinine. If they wanted to take out panty shots, fine. But painting over skin in a friggin' wedding dress and ruining the design? Stupid.
I meant with Ann, her story arc was handled well, but then the cast & the camera oogles her for the rest of the game. The very next scenario in the game even has her friends trying to convince her to strip just to distract someone while they go do a mission.
With TMS#FE, this isn't like Persona 1 where they changed character ethnicities & cut out a huge part of the game, but some people are acting like it is. 1 scenario has been modified, panty shots have been removed, you can't pay extra money for a very short hot springs fanservice DLC, and a few costumes are modified. I think most of the changes are for the best, but I will agree that the wedding dress edit was odd & not needed.
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This one still baffles me. There was nothing to censor from the dress on the right and what we ended-up having was a horror nightmare.Oh and this terrible edit job.
Seriously, did anyone who worked on the localization for this game have good taste?
Her story would have been great if only they would have respected the purpose later on. Why would you even make most of the male cast objectify a victim of sexual harassment?
Then again, is not like P5 really cares about what happens to the cast after their initial arcs.
Removed the DLC, changed most costumes, changed the content of one dungeon (and its meaning), every character was a year older (which is a normal/typical change), any references to gravure modelling in dialogue (in a game about idols...), and cutscenes had some weird smoke effects added to hide bits you were actually still seeing in gameplay later.
2nd chapter dungeon was changed alot.. but I don't really mind the change
the only change I'm pissed about is the White Dress of Tsubasa
as no one would wear the one they overlay it with ... they should have change the whole outfit instead
Also selling it full price again and not even dubbing it is just scummy af
Yep looks like localization butchered the game, but it's all I have so I'm still buying it. Sadly.
kind of a hard question but are those changes jarring if you weren't aware of them, like are some of them half assed to the point where you'd notice ? (the worst offender seem to be that white dress change)
I know the game is said to be based on the western version, but it's not like they can't make fixes/changes to correct the issues the localization brought. The only oddity is that one enemy still has flames covering her breasts in that clip in the direct, and apparently she lacks them in-game.
So maybe they'll now add flames to her in-game, since that'd be really weird otherwise. I doubt they'll remove the flames in the cutscene after showing it in the direct now.
I wonder if just fixing the wedding dress will be enough for most people since that's by far the most criticized change, just because of how sloppy it was.
So maybe they'll now add flames to her in-game, since that'd be really weird otherwise. I doubt they'll remove the flames in the cutscene after showing it in the direct now.
I wonder if just fixing the wedding dress will be enough for most people since that's by far the most criticized change, just because of how sloppy it was.
I mean I already pre-ordered it both digitally and physically and not canceling it
but yea these choices screams powerplay from western nintendo
rather a business wise one
A compromise in between would be more than enough to make me happy with my purchase
i'm fine with changes as long as it's somewhat reasonable lmao
If you're hoping for this to set some sort of standard going forward I wouldn't get your hopes up.
I played at launch without being aware of the changes, and the theme of the modelling chapter felt a little odd but I just chalked it up to not great writing for that one bit and otherwise thoroughly enjoyed the game.
I had actually been thinking about dusting off my Wii U to play it again until this was announced, and will definitely be buying it again.
Some bits posted earlier kinda make it worse (in the same way that the infamous Tharja bikini scene in FE Awakening making her look naked in the american version) like this:
But otherwise, the really jarring changes are the weird bits censored in cutscenes but untouched ingame (usually smoke/flame effects covering some cleavage).
The rest is obviously not jarring since you're not aware, but it feels weird nonetheless (the theme change of a dungeon make you wonder what is the issue, the costume changes can look really bad, etc).
It's a thing on Switch ages. That's also a reason we won't have to says or complain about it anymore. But not this since it made before switch.
But hey!? They enforce the policy seriously.
TMS OT: Now with 100% less vagina bones
I mean, I definitely understand they mean "editing". Problem is, they actually think it's censorship.
It's almost as if the changes are largely irrelevant in the bigger picture and it's still a pretty great RPG.
Their self-seriousness is borderline satire.
Amazing that 30 pages later "they did minor texture and story edits and therefore this game is a disgrace" is still a hill people are willing to die on.
Honestly, the lack of english audio should be the real localization "controversy" and it bugs me we still won't get it.
That's not really true. You are only assuming they actually think it's by the dictionary definition censorship because it's easier to dismiss them that way but most people saying it understand that the dev or the publisher are choosing to edit these things by themselves and I don't really see many people arguing otherwise. I'm sure you can find some people who do think it's straight up censorship but people have varying opinions on the changes, it's not just black and white and I don't think painting over the whole thing with broad strokes really helps. But see, this is my point. You clearly understand what they mean but instead of engaging with that, you're sidetracking to an argument over the right word to use as if you don't understand them. I'm just saying it doesn't accomplish anything but dismiss the varying concerns people may have. And like, you don't have to care about their concerns either, it's just pointless arguing back and forth on the word censorship when we all know what everyone is saying. Some words evolve in certain contexts and have meaning beyond their dictionary definition. Whether you like or hate the changes or you just don't care, it gets a bit annoying seeing people go "well actually" ad nauseam every time.
I didn't realize it was a GG group. I just google image searched for a specific localization change someone mentioned and that was the image I found. The image is just showing a comparison; I'm not trying to promote them and I haven't linked to anything of theirs. If it's not allowed, a mod can delete it.
This game is a best hits of Japanese pop culture which might lost some people (there are references to Marry Friedman and Quentin Tarantino amongst others).
Tbh, I do think one valid criticism of this game it doesn't go too hard in criticizing the dark side of Japanese culture
Specifically, the gravure change that I railed upon, I don't think the reason they changed it because it was an underaged girl (now 18 in the west) in a bikini because they still had a bikini costume in the game afterwards.
It was more that the scenario resolution was that she was okay with it afterwards.
I do think it's possible to critique the application of changes for the international release , I don't mind the wedding dress but I know others do. I really wish they had a completely different scenario then they put in for chapter two.
They also tweeted about it here in case you want to read responses or voice your opinion.
Seconded. I mean, their language does make it easier to pick out and simply ignore those using 'censorship' to mean 'localisation'.
The tastes of those crying foul have never been better catered to, but we still have to take this whiny BS seriously? Nah.
But this isn't a "well actually", or something pedantic. Words have meaning and weight attached to them, and calling this "censorship" attaches an unjust weight to what is essentially a company changing something they don't think will work in the US.
Not only that, censorship has become a damn dog whistle for anti-PC, GG types. No wonder one of their lightning rods was CENSORED GAMING. Play-Asia even used it as a marketing strategy to sell a Dead or Alive game a couple years ago. So yeah, I think we should at least do our best to make sure people don't use a term that has awfully negative connotations (I live in a country that had actual censorship for over two decades) for something as meaningless as some texture swaps/story changes.
Then why make this a game thematically based around idols (+ other entertainment fields) and showing it all in a positive light in the first place?
Babysteps. I don't expect any IP that concerns itself with idols to get all introspective and critique the industry. But the least they can do for now is limit the sexualization of its characters.
Persona 4: Dancing All Night did. The game opens with an up-and-coming idol killing herself because of the pressure.
There's the answer to your previous question. Been here, done that.
My point is that if you're going to make a game about idols, embrace it. If you're going to decide to make it all sweet and straightforward with partial nudity all over the place, then do it. And don't backpedal and wonder why you even did that in the first place. If you're going to take an honest, perhaps cynical look at the industry and convey a darker message like Perfect Blue or P4D, then go for it.
But what they have done with #FE doesn't make sense. They're ashamed of what they themselves created. They shouldn't have even gone with that subject matter in the first place, then, right?
Hit the nail on the head. To me, they are still shocked at the bad reception this game got in Japan, where they assumed it would fare far better that in the rest of the world, given the subject.
The fact it received the same amount of scorn and mockery as it did elsewhere must have been truly baffling.
It seems to have been a passion project for the devs, but I'm guessing the localizers at Nintendo would have preferred something that didn't require as many content edits.
Even then, there are examples like the Kiria Carnage form change from the first trailer afterwards when they thought that it was too much, and things like the retailer pre-order bonus change of Tsubasa being changed presumably also because someone figured it was too much. It was just weird all-around.
Clearly a passion project, though.
Maybe they realized halfway through it that idol culture is kinda fucked up.
Again, they knew that if Persona 4: Dancing all Night is any indication.
But that was Persona Studio right? This was another team?
I can only find that it was developed by Atlus. No info on what team, though.
Yes. TMS #FE was in collaboration between Atlus Creative Department 1st Production (specifically, the Devil Survivor team) and P4D is P Studio (2nd Production).
Thanks for clearing that up.
Still, I believe the different aproach that TMS had to the idol industry was mostly because they had already went down that rabbit hole and didn't feel like going through already threaded path.
It's worth noting that both games were released in the same year in Japan, so it's unlikely that they actually communicated between each other to have that kind of divergence when they were both being developed at the same time (and also when they both had development issues).
That's not the case in Thee Houses. Most of the characters are underage in that game (before the timeskip).
Yeah if Nintendo and Atlus themselves were better at planning/communicating/working together in general throughout this whole process we wouldn't be having dozens of pages of posts about pelvic bones and instead (hopefully) dozens of pages about people playing the game instead.
NoJ and Atlus seemed to collaborate well from what's been heard about the dev process. The issue was more the localization team not being involved until the end.
Personally, I'd ask that you reconsider considering I personally liked the game quite a lot, and the edits really don't hurt the game much at all. It still is a great time especially if you were already interested in things like J-pop or idols. In general though, it is a great JRPG with a cute cast and a very fun battle system.
Thankfully I don't choose my games on how nude anime girls are in it.
i won't buy it out of principle. i didn't like how it was handled back when it came out on wii u (though at that time my decision to not buy was mostly because i hated my wii u) and i don't like that its carrying over to the switch. i would've bought the Japanese version but alas .. and no dlc is the nail in the coffin
well still a long time till release, maybe things will change
I don't understand why they don't try to satisfy both sides at the same time, like add an option in the menu that lets you choose your version of the game.
That would have required some effort, sure, but I expect them to put that in if they want the game to sell well. Especially for a definitive edition.
Maybe it would have even caused a higher rating, but it's miles better than having to issue an apology and refunds.
I simply don't like choices being made for me. If a game has unpleasant content, let me choose to be disgusted by it. Don't take away that option from me.
Right now with how the whole thing is handled it's just giving off an unprofessional vibe to me and I expect better of them.
Sadly, it also makes me lose interest in the extra content, if it's handled and communicated as poorly.
I will probably just check it out on youtube since I already completed the base game.
That would have required some effort, sure, but I expect them to put that in if they want the game to sell well. Especially for a definitive edition.
Maybe it would have even caused a higher rating, but it's miles better than having to issue an apology and refunds.
I simply don't like choices being made for me. If a game has unpleasant content, let me choose to be disgusted by it. Don't take away that option from me.
Right now with how the whole thing is handled it's just giving off an unprofessional vibe to me and I expect better of them.
Sadly, it also makes me lose interest in the extra content, if it's handled and communicated as poorly.
I will probably just check it out on youtube since I already completed the base game.