Hmm. Okay. I see what you're saying. I'm still not sure why a poster on Reddit (for example) would be treated like an actor on a cable show, but if there isn't a law saying they shouldn't be then I guess it puts them at risk?
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230 is the only thing that separates the internet from operating under the same rules a cable show operates under, basically.
Again, I may be being intentionally short sighted, and overly apocalyptic. But I would offer up this place, every convenient work (content hosting) app I use, every inclusive "nice" place I haunt if it meant getting to shatter the wild west of misinformation and toxicity we exist in now, and be forced to rebuild a new way of doing things.
Would it suck in different ways? Sure. But reasonable regulation ain't coming anytime soon. Sometimes you just gotta flood the world and start over again. The more time goes on, I believe that this form of the internet just isn't worth saving.
yea, I'm actually ok with the repeal, just fuck it all up and reset lol. There're so much money on the line that tech companies will spend out of their ass to lobby for it to come back anyways, just look at prop 22
The Dems need to call McConnell's bluff on this one. The GOP really, really doesn't want to vote on $2,000 checks and think the Section 230 stuff will be enough to pin the bill's failure on the other side. Don't fall into this trap from the umpteenth time and let's find out if they're really willing to make that trade.
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Mitch McConnell is a smart evil, more than enough people give him credit for, given his history and many of the responses I've seen here to his current machinations, which are happening in plain site. There will be as much infighting among democrats as republicans in the coming days.
He reads everything. I always thought it was obviously Trump is a huge consumer of media in general. (Even if he reads more headlines than anything else/ Mostly stuff about himself lol)
Out of watching Fox/OANN/Newsmax, he reads headlines and his staff prints/cut clips of good things that are said about him. That the extent of his media consumption, pure narcissism.
He does not read, he watches constantly and then his staff tells him what the newspapers are badmouthing him about.
That misinformation would probably still exist even with 230 dead. All it would do is kill every small site that can't pay legal fees (such as Era) while sites like Facebook and YouTube would become even bigger monopolies. The only thing left aside from the monopolies would be sites with no moderation at all, as Section 230 is what made moderation possible without getting sued for all sorts of BS. The only sites that could defend themselves were sites that had no moderation at all.
Basically you'd have nothing but Google and Facebook sites while independent sites die and you can't do file sharing, make a blog with comments, run a Discord server, or make a subreddit for your favorite indie game. The death of 230 is the death of what makes the internet great, not what makes it horrible. Same thing happened with FOSTA. Twitter still allows porn and Match Group has a million hook up apps, but Craigslist personals is gone forever and Tumblr banned porn and isn't bringing it back.
Tech companies wouldn't want it back though, is the issue. It would mean that no start-up could ever have the resources to challenge them.
So, let's say it gets passed.. and half (let's be generous) goes to D and half goes to R households.
160 million checks (roughly) last time.. so 80 million R checks x $2000 (not all are going to get checks, so this is the max) = $160,000,000,000
And, let's say half turn right around and donate it to Trump's deb-- er, election fraud grifting campaign. $80,000,000,000
But, like I said, not all R are going to get checks/max amt and not all are going to donate it to Trump.. so let's say 1/4th of that goes to Trump.
$20,000,000,000.
I know the math is very rough, but seriously robbing Peter to Paul -- no wonder Trump is pushing the fraud narrative knowing full and well he's not going to be President.
160 million checks (roughly) last time.. so 80 million R checks x $2000 (not all are going to get checks, so this is the max) = $160,000,000,000
And, let's say half turn right around and donate it to Trump's deb-- er, election fraud grifting campaign. $80,000,000,000
But, like I said, not all R are going to get checks/max amt and not all are going to donate it to Trump.. so let's say 1/4th of that goes to Trump.
$20,000,000,000.
I know the math is very rough, but seriously robbing Peter to Paul -- no wonder Trump is pushing the fraud narrative knowing full and well he's not going to be President.
Its not particularly smart, he literally just threw everything into chaos. The smart thing would be him to get out of this completely unscathed.
It's like setting a building on fire in the middle of a battle under the assumption that you'll be able to make it through the destruction okay or don't care about the aftermath because you'll be dead by the time everyone else has to clean up the mess (he's almost 80).
I think it's more like Trump setting a fire, and McConnell trying to frame the democrats for it. It's best to think of his priorities. Highest is McConnell wants Senate control, he wants the NDAA passed( military funding republican orthodoxy), he wanted the Government funding bill passed ( for no other reason than to prevent chaos that could tank senate control).
Compared to those above I think he cares less about section 230, the $2000 and Trumps election BS (mcconnell is not a true believer here) So why not tie the three of those together into a big old poision bill. If it passes, increasing the odds of R's keeping senate control is probably worth the trade off to McConnell. And if it fails, at least he is seen as "fighting" and it may avert Trump's continued wrath for a moment by trying to get the things that Trump asked for when he signed the funding bill
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Uhh not even close to that many people would donate that money to trump. People need the money.
The new USMCA agreement requires signatories to have a Section 230-like law. So could they even remove it with legislation? Big Tech would immediately sue and halt the orders, and they would have a bipartisan push to implement something else.
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The Section 230 Fight Ended Six Months Ago
Lawmakers demanding an end to the liability shield for Big Tech should have thought about that when they enshrined it in the new version of NAFTA.
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Agreed. Explained better than me. F**k that orange man. He is losing his mind cause Mitch called Joe Biden the elect (which is true) and is going nuclear. Republicans deserve it all.
IMO, Dems need to go all-in scorched earth and just go with the "poisoned" bill. Let the Trump admin and Republican Senate continue to make a joke of themselves over the next month or so. Meanwhile the PR will improve Dem's chances in the GA run-offs and they can go and get the 230 mess fixed after January 20th. Make Mitch swallow his own shit for once.The new USMCA agreement requires signatories to have a Section 230-like law. So could they even remove it with legislation? Big Tech would immediately sue and halt the orders, and they would have a bipartisan push to implement something else.
The Section 230 Fight Ended Six Months Ago
Lawmakers demanding an end to the liability shield for Big Tech should have thought about that when they enshrined it in the new version of NAFTA.
If there's any slight-of-hand played by dems here, it would be to send the bill back to the House with 230 repeal, expressly state that they'll just remove the 230 repeal in the House, and send it back to the Senate. That way dems never have to vote against it.
The problem with that is that it would give Perdue and Loeffler room to repeatedly vote for 2k, giving them clout in GA, so I wouldn't really say that's clever.
The problem with that is that it would give Perdue and Loeffler room to repeatedly vote for 2k, giving them clout in GA, so I wouldn't really say that's clever.
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Oh so basically they can accept a poisoned pill version of the bill and big tech would immediately sue to remove the s230 portion of it?
