Almost forgot we were on Resetera, thanks for the reminder.
But enough of that nonsense, it's still free ASAP and all that!
Trump says he wants to help A$AP Rocky with Swedish incarceration
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But enough of that nonsense, it's still free ASAP and all that!
Why do so many Americans seem to think that Europe operates like its one country???
Why do you post reports from other countries to "prove" Sweden is a country full of violence against black people??? Like at least find something that happened in Sweden if you want to prove a point.
Also LOL at your takes about gun rights. America's gun fetishism results in dozens if not hundreds of people of color dying every year
Unless the guy who got physical ends up killing the other person and claims self defence, right?
With that attitude I'd prefer you stay far way from my country, too. Don't want to get punched in the face for breathing the same air as you do.
Then why instigator out and on the run and Rocky deemed a "flight risk." Think about it.
You seem very aggressive, there are other tools to use for deescalating a situation.
ASAP did almost all correct, but went way overboard when he had subdued the idiot.
Even if someone stalks you, harrassed you or attacks you, be a better person and try to de-escalate instead of ganging up on someone.
There is self-defense, and there is going too far. And if you go too far, you have to bear the consequences.
Because they couldn't find the other guy because he ran away.
That's kind of what "on the run" means.
You do know that the instigator is of Middle-Eastern decent, right? This is not working as an argument as you think it is.
But fine, if you actually want questions answered anyone thinking about it for five seconds can answer, here it is:
- One of them is famous and filmed his own lawbreaking
- One of them has the means to quickly leave the country
- One of them is American and thus would be out of reach if he did so
- The other one ran away
Yeah, must be racism though, after all, Europe is famous for supporting instigators from the Middle East.
no one has a problem with the way rocky acted up until he teamed up 3-on-1 to beat up someone who was on the ground and defenseless. If you Americans can't deal with an asshole any other way than beating them up, then yeah, you'll probably get arrested when abroad, regardless of the colour of your skin. I know many of you Americans think the world should bend to your will, but it is actually the responsibility of a traveler to know and follow the law of the country they're visiting. Some of you Americans apparently think blowing the brains out of an asshole is justified, so I have to say, I do prefer the legal system we have, that doesn't breed and reward such bloodthirst.
The United States of America, where black people get murdered by police just for existing, but also apparently where black people can get away with blowing someones head off (or slicing them up) in self defense.
Hmmm...
Hmmm...
I know the instigator is Middle East, don't act to high and mighty and say there is not a bias for a black rapper in a foreign country. They are holding him for almost 3 weeks without charging him because they have egg on their face on this situation when he provided evidence that he was not the instigator. The Privilege in this thread is exhausting.
I understand your point, but she is trying to help a friend.
From my limited understanding of Swedish law, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Yes, there is video evidence but it is disturbing to see people in this thread willing to convict a black man simply because Trump is advocating for him.
Its weird that us Americans have such bloodthirst, WHEN HE DIDNT EVEN START THE FIGHT HE WAS IN. But somehow we are bloodthirsty. Such a welcoming country starting fights with foreigners over headsets and getting detained, while the aggressor hides.
In this case, the millionaire American rapper with bodyguards is definitely the more priviled one compared to the random Middle Eastern immigrant.
You do realise he's in jail because of the shit that happened after that?
This isn't a Euro thing.
Beating someone on the ground in the US isn't self defense either. Self defense isn't carte blanche after someone's an aggressor to go nuts on the aggressor. It's to defend yourself to extricate yourself from the situation.
They sure do when he's not even being held for instigating a fight. You can't just do whatever you want as a reaction to being harassed.
Is it usual for Americans to talk about things they don't really know a lot about with the conviction of being the righteous ones being proportional to said lack of knowledge?
"Yes, there is video evidence but" is a great beginning of a sentence which I'm sure will be used in lots of different threads from now on.
Talking about the Privilidge in this thread friend read my comment again.
i didn't say rocky was bloodthirsty. i said the following behavior would be:
Lol please. I've literally seen dozens of fights where far worse happens and nobody even gets charged. This guy was barely even hit and its an international incident.
I was born in Cuba and am now living in Sweden. Could you be more specific about what kind of privilege it is that I have?
I'm explaining the law to you. Self-defense isn't what you think it is here in the US.
There's been people literally saying they would shoot people like that in the face.
There's been loads of people saying that he had it coming to him, that he deserved to be repeatedly beaten when lying on the floor.
There's been loads of people saying they'd do the exact same thing, a thing that is against the law in pretty much the entire EU no matter what your skin colour is.
And you don't understand why people might see that as bloodthirst?
Lack of diversity is not pretty similar across Europe. This is factually wrong.
Riskier than what? Statistics would tell you that it is more dangerous to be a black man in the US than in Sweden. Lumping all European countries together is not very productive since the cultural differences are huge.
You can both be victim of a crime and a perpetrator at the same time. If walking on eggshells means don't kick someone lying on the ground then by all means.
Saying that police (in Sweden) are not a tool for oppression is not a lie. Are they perfect? Of course not. Are there racist cops? Of course. Are the police force a tool for oppression? No, unless you consider efforts to uphold the law oppression in itself.
Thats not bloodlust. That's leave me the fuck alone and I will leave you alone.
This is par for the course. Any thread with Assange, here and elsewhere, was hilarious as countless foreigners became overnight experts in Swedish law despite not even being able to read the laws.
I mean, it's not even that because it's just you being an Internet Badass :)
The two guys were assholes, following them around and harrassing them that way. They dealt with them well until they started beating them and using violence.
At some point, just call the police. They could have done that easily while walking around filming the whole incident. Show that footage to the police and I am sure they would have taken care of those two.
Why use violence if there are other ways to deal with the situation?
Look, all the chap had to do was not beat him up when he is lying on the ground. I mean, how hard is that?
I know in my 45 years of life I've managed to avoid doing it. I've dealt with some utter dicks in my life. I've been punched. I've been kicked. But I'm managed to not beat up someone lying on the ground.
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And this is only an international incident because that numpty Trump decided to make it one whislt masively misunderstanding how a significantly less corrupt political system works. And the guy is beign held precisely because he is a flight risk. Does anyone here really think that if they let him go he'd happily wait around in Sweden until the next stage of the process is reached? Sweden is in Schengen, it is easy as fuck to get to another country.
Yea, same here (though, not yet 45 years...). It feels like some people only know extremes to work with and this is really disappointing. There are so many ways to deal with situations and any kind of violence should be the very last option, if at all.
I don't particularly care how badass anybody here thinks I am or not. I didn't join this forum for street cred. You don't have to believe in anything I say.
Also, I mean, some people act like ASAP's going to spend three years in prison or something, like the Great American Penal System is want to do for the smallest of offences (weirdly enough, with certain biases). He's probably going to pay some fine and that's it if Swedish laws are similar to elsewhere in Europe.
Man shut the hell up lol. I know first hand what the self defense laws work like in the US. I didn't ask for your input or help.
So what do you think should happen? He's a American so American laws should apply to him abroad?
In Singapore you can get a 1k fine for spitting on the street, if he went there and that happened to him it wouldn't be because he was black either.
Frankly, if (and it is a big if) this is a good indication of how a majority of Americans think these things should be dealt with it would explain a lot.
I just meant that if there is going to be any racist bias in this case it will likely be for ASAP and against the Middle Eastern immigrant.
There is a reason why all the Swedish far right scum are on ASAP's side on this case.