I don't see why posters need to put more effort into their dismissal of the character than the developers put into their creation of its visuals.
Twin Mirror (PS4/XB1/PC) Just Announced (DONTNOD/Bandai Namco)
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DONTNOD is a developer that spoke out years ago about the difficulty of putting female protagonists into a game. Their first few games, Remember Me and Life is Strange, had female protagonists, while their next two (Vampyr and now Twin Mirror) have male protagonists.
It is immensely disappointing to go from Nilin in Remember Me to the gaming protagonist equivalent of Wonderbread, as seen in Twin Mirror, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. DONTNOD's prior work has raised my expectations of them.
Sure but if someone would post "bah, female protagonist, not interested" he would probably get a warning and/ or a ban for a couple of days. So what's the difference?
This kind of post isn't contributing much to the conversation about the game, or to anything really, the only thing it does is to derail the topic at hand, what she thinks about male protagonists is irrelevant.
User Banned (24h): Thread derailment. False equivalency.
Dismissing the game with a drive by comment like "Bah, male protagonist, not interest" is extremely sexist.
What are you even going on here about ?
If you're really a fan of the developers previous work, you should give them a chance instead of making a terribly dismissive post just because the protagonist is a man.
Isn't Life is Strange already Life is Strange meets Twin Peaks?
Anyway, I think this looks great, the main character just seems a little bland.
I mean Protag looks very similar which makes since since DP's looked like Dale Cooper.
That inner monologue was so bad that it killed any interest I had in the otherwise great premise.
User Banned (1 Week): Downplaying concerns about representation and diversity
There has been an abundance of female leads the past few years with many more to come in announced titles , I'm not sure how that can be used as an excuse anymore. Having a mod openly dismiss a game based on the sex of a protag sets a bad example, especially with the whole Battlefield commotion.
DontNod really loves Twin Peaks. Inner monologue wasn't the most well written or performed, though.
I knew someone was going to try and turn my snark into some accusation that I think they're lazy. No, pointing out the character looks generic AF is not the same as saying "devs r lazy", but good try.
User Banned (3 Days): False equivalency.
She didn't say: "It's disappointing that DONTNOD, a developer which is known for its amazing female protagonists in a market filled with so many male protagonists, chose to do a game with a male protagonist this time"
She didn't really say anything meaningful or productive, it was really just a lame drive by post, you can't defend this and if someone would do the same post only with a "female protagonist" complaint, he will get a warning at the least, no doubt.
I'm intrigued, but that voiceover kinda ruined the trailer.
Anyway, it's still in early development so I expect the graphics to improve.
Anyway, it's still in early development so I expect the graphics to improve.
well i'ts thr first time i see a male character in a game be a problem, this game looks like a mashup of alan wake and farenheint, looking foward to it
For people who are disappointed with the protagonist, with both this and Vampyr having male protagonists, I think it's pretty much a lock that we'll have at least one female lead between LiS2 and Project 6, right?
They didn't say it was offensive, they said it was low effort.
Posts like that on the first page tend to get warned more often then not. I don't think pointing out the hypocrisy there is unwarranted.
So your never allowed to do a male protagonist after you do a female one? Furthermore I think disregarding the entire game based on the sole fact that the lead is male is kinda iffy. Like if you don't like their personality or characterization it's one thing but just because it's a male? Strikes me as odd is all.
You just defended low effort posts by insinuating it was no more effort than the devs put in but okay. I don't really care, I was just being snarky back but that is exactly what you did.
For what it's worth, I don't think there's anything wrong with people having snap judgement reactions in a reactions thread concerning a new game. It happens. My snap reaction was that I think the main character looks generic, which in an of itself is kind of a "low effort" post, but nobody was calling me out on that, while everyone was calling out that other poster for not being interested in the character on another basis. It was, admittedly, too "meta" of a post on my part, but in no way is my intention to call the developers at DONTNOD lazy -- quite the contrary, right now they seem to be pretty on point with their work.
Those pre E3 streams are confusing people on YouTube lol
I love how mad their getting "is this it? Fucking shut, worst e3 ever"
I love how mad their getting "is this it? Fucking shut, worst e3 ever"
To be fair, Sony hasn't exactly done a great job telling *exactly* what their E3 conference will be.
Even on this forum, people are confused whether they'll just do extensive looks into the 4,5 games they named, or if there's going to be actual 'reveals' and 'first time announcements' on-stage like years-before.
I'm going to need receipts on this abundance of games with female leads since the vast majority of games that come to mind right now feature male leads, even if there was this sudden avalanche of games with female protagonists it would still be disappointing to see a developer that has done great work with representation in games switch to a generic white dude for their next two games.
This is also nothing like the situation with Battlefield V so I'm not sure why you brought that up. The Battlefield situation was a whole bunch of idiots screaming about historical inaccuracy and throwing vitriol at Dice for including women in the game/trailer, this is just somebody saying they're not interested in a game due to it having a male protagonist
What is with this mentality ?
If you're a fan of a studio for their good work with a female protagonist, just give them a chance to do the same with a male and do their best to not make it a 'generic' protagonist.
If the assumption is that any female protagonist can't be 'generic' either, that's also wrong.
Anyone who says they're a fan of Dontnod's work solely because of female protagonists, isn't really a fan of the studio or their work at all.
DONTNOD should be allowed to do whatever they want though, why should they be limited from a freedom/creative perspective and be used as some sort of bearer of having female protagonists in the video game industry? More publishers & developers should be stepping up in that case, in this game and experience DONTNOD feels that a male protagonist is the choice for their story to be told and for it to unfold.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Nobody should be letdown that they went this route. If the game stinks or writing stinks or doesn't work? All bets are off but them choosing to go with a male protagonist? That isn't something worth making a stink about.
To each's own, people can buy what they want....absolutely. But to be letdown by a developer? Letdown by what?
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