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Twitch Korea is forcing viewers from Sep 30th to only watch up to 720p streams due to increased operational costs, possibly due to new Korean bill
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Why You May Never See Another Baby Shark or BTS From South Korea (Death of Net Neutrality)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N99X58rEus0
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N99X58rEus0
I've heard some Korean lawmakers tout how the public supports foreign companies paying higher fees for using their networks. But I'm really confident none of the "support" was actually done in a way that told the citizens what that actually meant and who would benefit from such an idea.
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Lowkey this bill seems like it could kneecap South Korea's content creation on all levels if I'm understanding correctly. Like heck after watching the video OP linked I wonder if South Korean creators/celebs may be motivated to move elsewhere long-term
In the article one of the politicians claimed it had 70% support among Korean citizens. That it got so high leads me to believe whatever poll they ran was leaving out some important context and went with a very generic "should foreign companies pay more tax/fees" thing.
Well Twitch is moving to peer-to-peer so I don't think it'll be as big of an issue there.
Oh word? That's pretty interesting, wonder if other platforms will have to try something similar
I don't get it. Don't Korea and Japan have the fastest connections on the planet? Even bills increase or whatever, then dunno why they should limit to 720p if the base speed is so high.
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Lower resolution = less data usage = less they have to pay to the ISPs.
I get it here but is this just concerning offers with a monthly limit like cellular based ones and so on or even unlimited access internet too? If it is affecting the second one then it's a huge bummer too and tbh I don't get it even more now.
Read the article linked in the OP, which explains the bill that would require Twitch and other content providers to pay Korean ISPs.
The idea that streaming video in 2022 constitutes "excessive network traffic" is ridiculous.
Unrelated to both. Twitch (and others like YouTube) has to pay super high fees to use Korea ISPs, because they are foreign companies. High resolution means more data they are charged on.
How does that work? Is it a system like bittorrent where you're getting parts of streams from other people viewing?
What's that? We can't hear you over the sound of those scary Mexicans crossing the border to establish taco trucks on every corner.
Guess so, I just know they tested it in Korea already. I imagine that'll save them a lot of cost.
Please explain. I honestly don't know and curious about it.
Yeah, the Korean ISPs and multinational streaming companies have been fighting over this for years. Netflix is fighting it in the court and YouTube has been vocally critical and implied it might take the same steps.
Korean internet companies Naver, Kakao and local Twitch competitor AfreecaTV have been paying this fees since a long time and the ISPs now want the government to pass the same regulations for the foreign companies too. As according to them they take up 60-70% of Korea's streaming bandwidth. YouTube takes more than Naver.
1 billion won = 1 million American Dollars at the usual 1 dollar = 1000 won rate.
AfreecaTV is a local older P2P Twitch competitor. I haven't visited in a while but what they did was split viewers into multiple chatrooms when a certain stream's viewers reach a big enough number. Think multiple chatrooms for a single stream. Twitch is also experimenting with the same.
Korean internet companies Naver, Kakao and local Twitch competitor AfreecaTV have been paying this fees since a long time and the ISPs now want the government to pass the same regulations for the foreign companies too. As according to them they take up 60-70% of Korea's streaming bandwidth. YouTube takes more than Naver.
1 billion won = 1 million American Dollars at the usual 1 dollar = 1000 won rate.
AfreecaTV is a local older P2P Twitch competitor. I haven't visited in a while but what they did was split viewers into multiple chatrooms when a certain stream's viewers reach a big enough number. Think multiple chatrooms for a single stream. Twitch is also experimenting with the same.
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Ah gotcha. Hopefully this won't expand to the rest of the world.
It's a big topic, probably can't do it justice with just a couple sentences. My personal interest started when I met Korean students in my semester abroad and A LOT of them said that Korea sucks ass and that they want to leave.
Maybe as a starter:
South Korea's Untouchable Families | Open Secrets
Open Secrets is a documentary series that looks at just this – secrets lived out in the open,things everyone knows about, but no one will talk about - until ...
www.youtube.com
Do Koreans Think Korea is Living Hell? | ASIAN BOSS
If you consider yourself a true fan of Asian Boss, become a member of our community to join the cause: https://asianboss.ioWe hit the streets of Seoul, South...
www.youtube.com
Also, watch Parasite.
We are in this mess cause dumb mofos still can't get queueing technology right, if people used one aspect properly when we reached limits of a network they wouldn't turn to shit
What's worse is the asshole not doing his job gets paid. You're an ISP you're suppose to build for the traffic your consumers generate and government keep falling for the same reason. Lobbying must be a bitch for the same tactic to work in other countries.
What's worse is the asshole not doing his job gets paid. You're an ISP you're suppose to build for the traffic your consumers generate and government keep falling for the same reason. Lobbying must be a bitch for the same tactic to work in other countries.
People there will just keep using Afreeca as the main streaming platform. Afreeca treats their users much better, it just sucks for anyone outside of Korea because it sucks watching afreeca outside of korea as they've got no servers anywhere so it's super laggy lol
Yeah, a lot of viewers and content creators that moved to Twitch might reverse migrate to AfreecaTV again after this. They were both going toe to toe too with Twitch becoming so popular.
So the ISPs charge their customers for the service, but then also charge companies that the service is used on... for allowing the service to be used? Damn lol
A bill that will make it mandatory for ISPs to charge foreign content companies like Netflix, YT etc. a Network Usage Fee on top of the internet access fee. The latter is done everywhere, but the former was introduced in Korea in 2011 when ISPs wanted to charge local companies like Naver, Kakao more.
This happened in the US a decade ago with the ISPs pushing hard for it. Then Netflix started hosting with ISPs to get around it:
Netflix says it will pay “tolls” to more ISPs, not just Comcast
Video service calls for stronger net neutrality law that covers peering.
arstechnica.com
As ISPs seek payments from Big Tech, Google criticizes “sender-pays” model
Google exec objects as EU mulls whether tech giants should fund telecom networks.
arstechnica.com
It's a big topic, probably can't do it justice with just a couple sentences. My personal interest started when I met Korean students in my semester abroad and A LOT of them said that Korea sucks ass and that they want to leave.
Maybe as a starter:
South Korea's Untouchable Families | Open Secrets
Open Secrets is a documentary series that looks at just this – secrets lived out in the open,things everyone knows about, but no one will talk about - until ...Do Koreans Think Korea is Living Hell? | ASIAN BOSS
If you consider yourself a true fan of Asian Boss, become a member of our community to join the cause: https://asianboss.ioWe hit the streets of Seoul, South...
Also, watch Parasite.
"Rather doing what we love, we become what society wants us to be"
Dang that hits hard
I been checking out the life in Japan. I should check out the life in Korea later.
But that's what an ISP is, a method of accessing content on the internet, either be netflix, yt, xb live or psn. They can't demand that x service pay ISP x rate for x traffic generated.
If only consumers paid to ISP...Oh, wait. This argument would be valid if ISP did not ask for payment from the consumers. In the first place people connect to the Internet to enjoy the content provided from the companies worldwide. It is like asking Valve to pay for Steam traffic.
Yep and US (probably Canada too) and EU ISPs want some of this pie as well. It's beyond ridiculous.