Fucking hell
Why did I watch that...
I need to ignore Etcetera again because Jesus fucking christ am I terrified
This honestly seems like the end...
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Fucking hell
Why did I watch that...
I need to ignore Etcetera again because Jesus fucking christ am I terrified
This honestly seems like the end...
Well, in my case it means my business fails, and then I lose my house, and live on the street... so, fairly big difference?
If it makes you a little calmer, all of the stuff they are doing is the result course of action for someone with respiratory issues. It is the scale that is scary not the action been taken.
I hope many eyes get on this video, as it will make many more people isolate. Even if it scares them, it will scare them into making the right choice
We all need to help doctors like this by not becoming sick
I know that's what he said. What I am saying that that is not the strategy. When herd immunity was mentioned by Patrick Vallance he explicitly said it was about developing it among the healthy that would have a mild reaction to it and explicitly mentioned shielding the vulnerable. These 400,000 figures are taking into account 60% of everyone getting infected. That's not what's being proposed here.
You're way off. It's not low at all. Most uptodate models we have today have shown it actually might end up being less than 1%. Sage have said they fully expect it to be between 0.5-1%.
Government has never said it's policy to en mass infect everyone in the country, sick, old and at risk. So yes they will deny that since it's not remotely true. It is however unquestionably government policy to build up immunity to ensure that we do not have a massive peak in the winter months. You know like those graphs I showed you that you totally ignored. Seems I'm addressing all of your points but you seem to be wilfully ignoring a lot of mine that are inconvenient for you to address.
No, mitigation is no longer the strategy. I've corrected this misconception numerous times yet it keeps being ignored. And of course the young "can" be hospitalised from the infection. The young also "can" be hospitalised from flu. The young also "can" be hospitalised from wisdom teeth complications etc..point is were are talking about a extremely rare occurrence and every single piece of research unanimously backs that up.
As I pointed out above, 1% is not a generous estimation with the most uptodate figures we have. And the policy change was from mitigation to suppression. Herd immunity is not exclusive to either one and is actually stated as a factor in the success of either of them.
As was stated when herd immunity was mentioned, the strategy is to try and confine it to the healthy that will develope mild reactions to it and explicitly protect the vulnerable. The figures you're mentioning are also not in relation to herd immunity, they are in relation to unchecked mass infection that would occur in a mitigation policy.
What is this? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here. I guess it might have sounded clever in your head but it comes across as incoherent rambling in text form.
There are number of examples of it working in ringed cases. As for large scale cases such as this you'll excuse me for not having one at the ready given that the few times a pandemic such as this has occurred either immunity was not possible, vaccine or not, or herd immunity was not undertaken. As was the case with Spanish flu which is one of the leading reasons as to why a 2nd wave occurred and was in fact the deadliest wave of the outbreak. The flu was initially suppressed in the summer months but once restrictions subsided it came but strong in autumn and winter and killed millions. That's what is trying to be avoided here.
Only thing fictional are your figures. Its 50-60%, not 90. And the goal is to shield the vulnerable through isolation and social distancing. Another example of fiction is this idea that the goal was to set the virus en mass on everyone in the country. That was never the case and was never presented as such.
We know with a pretty high degree who the at risk people so you are categorically wrong about that. Not sure what being young and getting sick from COVID-19 has to do with being high risk. Yes the young do get sick. That's not called being high risk. Being high risk means developing life threatening reactions to it. As for your point about doctors, that's a specialist case and is due to them being exposed to the virus on multiple occasions in such a short space of time. Of course that is going to have adverse effects on your health. And it's exclusive to just doctors. The average person is not going to be in a position to be infected by the virus multiple times in a day. Be rational
I find it funny when people bring this up but pin hope on a vaccine. You are aware that if we can't build up natural immunity to the virus than a vaccine is going to equally an ineffective, right? This is not an issue with herd immunity exclusively, it's issue with immunity in general. It's also not accurate. If individuals did not build up immunity to the virus then we would not be seeing the declines we have seen in Asia. That's beyond basic.
No one suggested any of what's in this paragraph. But given what you said in the rest of your post I'm not surprised you resort to cartoonish strawmen since they're easier for you to argue against the the actual points being made which seem beyond you.
Soooo I'm pretty sure I've got it. Had a bit of a cough for days, but I've always got a bit of a cough so didn't think too much of it. Had cold like symptoms last two mornings I woke up but I tended to feel better as the day went on. Today (well yesterday) the cough got a bit more frequent and tonight just waking up at 2am there and I'm definitely coughing more. No sign of a fever or anything more serious yet but I feel I'm going that way. Hmmm.
Hopefully you don't have it but if you do hopefully it doesn't become severe, wishing you the best.
Could be nothing, if you had a fever, I'd be worried.
That said, just take care of yerself, self-isolate and try not to worry. Sending good vibes.
Weirdest day so far yesterday. I went for a drive through town expecting it to be a ghost town but it was really very busy.. Cafes, pubs etc that I peeped in all pretty full, not many closed places at all.
I'd planned on popping out for a few essentials later, and when I got back from my brief excursion into town the pub lockdown was announced.
headed to sainsburys at about 9pm and the place was stripped. Practically nothing left. The beer aisle had taken a hit after the pub lockdown announcement, there was plenty there a few days ago.
Bud Light anyone?
no?
thought not...
On the plus side though I found plenty of day to day supplies in the local Premier shop and co-op.
Hope you're all holding up ok!
I'd planned on popping out for a few essentials later, and when I got back from my brief excursion into town the pub lockdown was announced.
headed to sainsburys at about 9pm and the place was stripped. Practically nothing left. The beer aisle had taken a hit after the pub lockdown announcement, there was plenty there a few days ago.
Bud Light anyone?
no?
thought not...
On the plus side though I found plenty of day to day supplies in the local Premier shop and co-op.
Hope you're all holding up ok!
It's been dire here. Managed the last pack of courgettes and there were some of the premium on the vine tomatoes but aside from that most of the fresh and frozen veg was gone. Haven't seen pasta, eggs or bread for awhile now.
Thankfully there's that nurses hour and my partner is a nurse so looking forward to that on Monday when she's off to get some things.
Heard from my parents during the elderly hour near them that the shop was overrun by people of any age forcing it to shut for an hour. People are fucking assholes.
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Me and my GF have had a dry cough for a while now (minutes or even an hour between coughing though) and occasional cold symptoms.
From what I've heard, the symptoms come on fast, constant fever, coughing, fatigue and aches, within a few hours.
Hopefully it's just another virus going around. However we have both been potentially exposed (but not massively) by our employers, and I can't remember if coughing started before or after.
I am beginning to take bets on the % of my sainsburys online order that actually turns up tomorrow....Weirdest day so far yesterday. I went for a drive through town expecting it to be a ghost town but it was really very busy.. Cafes, pubs etc that I peeped in all pretty full, not many closed places at all.
I'd planned on popping out for a few essentials later, and when I got back from my brief excursion into town the pub lockdown was announced.
headed to sainsburys at about 9pm and the place was stripped. Practically nothing left. The beer aisle had taken a hit after the pub lockdown announcement, there was plenty there a few days ago.
Bud Light anyone?
no?
thought not...
On the plus side though I found plenty of day to day supplies in the local Premier shop and co-op.
Hope you're all holding up ok!
If it wasn't for all the safety implications I would say anyone who has lied about being a key worker so they don't have to look after their own children should be given a Y11 class last thing on a Friday.
And have to teach them about Industrial Reform of the 1830s.
In my area panic buying seems to be letting off a little. Both Asda and Aldi weren't particularly busy yesterday at peak, in the Asda there was no TP or bread or strangely enough whole chickens, but it was reasonably stocked. Let's hope they can keep on top of it.
My wife works for a hotel and they're shutting down the bar and restaurant and moving to a room service only type thing. The keycard box has been swapped out for a bucket of disinfectant that guests put their key cards into and housekeeping are wearing full PPI, masks, jumpsuits the lot.
My wife works for a hotel and they're shutting down the bar and restaurant and moving to a room service only type thing. The keycard box has been swapped out for a bucket of disinfectant that guests put their key cards into and housekeeping are wearing full PPI, masks, jumpsuits the lot.
Noticed this last night where i am as well, hopefully they are starting to catch up with the restrictions in place
I've been avoiding the panic buyers by going to the butcher for meat and the market to get my fruit and vegetables.
The best part about that is neither are price gouging, compared to the two corner shops near my house where everything has seemingly shot up in price.
The best part about that is neither are price gouging, compared to the two corner shops near my house where everything has seemingly shot up in price.
Don't think so, I've been struggling to find one since Xmas.
Just dance is excellent source of exercise as well.
A cough by itself shouldn't be anything to worry about. Remember we still have all the 'normal' colds and viruses doing the rounds like every year. A cough (continuous) with fever and shortness of breath is what your looking out for. By the time you show these symptoms you will already have passed it on though 😬
Sure am.
We've got measures in place to make sure we aren't going into someone who's self isolating, ill or at risk.
Admittedly going into homes for only as long as absolutely needed and I've got gloves and plenty of anti bac stuff for what it's worth.
As always with this Gov, they are just not clear, it seems schools are quouting 20% max of kids, but that was Weds advice from the Gov, before the updated list..
It is border on lunacy the efforts some heads are going to stop people on the key list from bringing their children. Will people abuse it, of course they will, but schools are being super anal as well
It is border on lunacy the efforts some heads are going to stop people on the key list from bringing their children. Will people abuse it, of course they will, but schools are being super anal as well
Sod off with that noise. Keeping the network up and running is absolutely key. Even forgetting enabling folk to work from home, and how vital that I to the economy, the network also serves multiple other purposes. Phone lines are vital to keep isolated folks safe and connected. How many homes have alarms linked to phone lines? How many pensioners have personal alarms if they fall or are in distress? What if someone is isolation has symptoms that escalate? How do they call 111or 999? With regards to broadband, it supports key medical equipment for some folks at home, diabetic monitors and the like. Wifi calling is vital in some parts of the country to ensure people can use their mobiles in an emergency.
It's not all about Netflix and the like, but services like that also play a key role in mental health. Letting people maintain even a modicum of normality is vital in having people obey the advice to stay home. We're not a police state, we cannot realistically lock everyone down, so we've got to give them a reason to stay home.
How? So it's ok for the majority to isolate at home but the people in my profession still going in peoples houses (many can be filthy cesspits) to fix adsl/fibre.
One minute internet isn't a big deal that people can cope without, But the moment yours isn't working, it's the end of the world and needs fixing.
People also have phones that can hotspot.
I already know of engineers who've caught this shit from houses.
Do you do this job? Because being lectured by someone who doesn't do it is abit of a joke tbh. You make some interesting points about some services that obviously need to keep running and if the company could focus on those important jobs that need to be maintained it would be fine. Except they aren't and 90% of the work is jobs that don't need doing at this current time.
Jobs are being sent out that the customer hasn't even reported such as speeds dropping to half - that absolutely does not need to fixing at this time.
I missed your comment about Netflix so it really does come down to home internet as well how Netflix is vitals for mental health. someone who does this job would not say that, so please don't tell me what is and isn't important in my job thank you.
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Really hope the lockdown is announced soon (outside of key workers). While I think it's a bit late in the day I think it would help with reducing the panic shopping and very much reduce the spread of it beyond your household.
The problem is that for the lockdown to be effective it needs to happen for a few months and we need to hope there's some sort of breakthrough in fighting this virus.
ps3ud0 8)
The problem is that for the lockdown to be effective it needs to happen for a few months and we need to hope there's some sort of breakthrough in fighting this virus.
ps3ud0 8)
Sorry but nope. In my local council (North Lanarkshire) the list of possible key workers that we are accepting pupils from is massive. We are also accepting kids in even if they have a second guardian at home who isn't a key worker. We will see on Monday for sure, but I expect more than 80% of the kids to be in, which completely defeats the point.
The schools and councils that are being stricter about it have the right idea, because lazy selfish parents will abuse the fuck out of it.
Apologies, of course there will be those who do what the Gov has asked, round my way almost every parent had to apply and receive phone calls from the head to justify.
TBF it is not for the school to over rule the Gov, there was a head on radio 5 last night saying as H&S stops with him so he can overrule the list... just a shame it has got a bit nasty
Anyone know if the government is still planning briefings over the weekend, or if they're weekdays only?
Looking like another few days of us self employed continuing to choose food and rent payments over the health of themselves and other people otherwise. Fuck this government for shafting us so much this past week.
Looking like another few days of us self employed continuing to choose food and rent payments over the health of themselves and other people otherwise. Fuck this government for shafting us so much this past week.
Yes pharmacies are still open. As are supermarkets and pet shops.
Going to be strange at work on Monday, we are going from 1000 pupils and 130 staff down to about 20 key workers. Teachers running classes from home.
BT Connections bud, so yeah, quiet your noise. I get the job is high stress right now, and it must be downright terrifying having to put yourself at risk going into people's homes, but that's the gig. The only way we all get through this is by doing the hard things. Take precautions, look after you and yours, and we'll come out the other side stronger with any luck. Who knows, maybe we'll even get a little recognition for the usually invisible work we do?
Ah thanks, will walk into town later on. If I don't get some fresh air I'll go crazy.
Same for us as per pupils as well, we're all going in Monday but then dependent on number of pupils we'll go home.
I was in Asda hunting for hand cream, and all they had on those shelves were two small tubes of anti aging cream 'for mature skin' and a jar of Dolmio chilli pasta sauce.
Oh dear "technically 'moist'"
I have laughed too much during this apocalypse.
Got my fingers crossed for you. The earliest I could get an online delivery was 5th April (Cornwall) and it was from Tesco rather than our usual (Sainsbury's).
Hope that things have settled a bit by then. My other half is immunosuppressed, so venturing out to our local village is running the gauntlet somewhat.
I've got to head out to our pharmacy to pick up her prescription so I'll see what's left in our village shop.
I'm also from North Lanarkshire and I agree that the key worker list in general is just too big. I am WFH which I agreed to before Corona hit so I'm ok but I work in a biological testing company, we test vaccines and drugs and we will be testing the CV vaccine very soon. It's predominantly woman scientists that work there and they are not on the key worker lists.
Meanwhile my mate works for sky retentions he's a key worker and his wife works for a bank a couple of afternoons a week, key worker.
It depends entirely on the amount of parents/kids who take it up though. We were asking round and pretty much every kid who was a "key worker" child said they wouldn't be in to me. Secondary kids are generally trusted to stay at home. Also, we've made clear they won't be getting a better experience than the kids at home, they'll be sat at computers doing exactly the same work.
I picked my son and nieces up 3 days this week and every day was quite. Was dead on Thursday. We noticed chicken pox on my son on Thursday evening so he didn't go in on Friday so not sure how quiet it was then.
The other problem in schools is that there isn't meant to be provision for lessons. It will be - in my school at least - sitting in the exam hall with your chrome book and exercise books, exam style seating to try and isolate with no actual teaching.
It'll be more of a punishment for students than anything else - imagine 5 hours of detention or so - and this could cause massive issues for mental health amongst the students. Imagine 12 weeks - most likely more - of that!
Behaviour's going to be pretty bad across the board, even with the nicer kids I feel. We're essentially consigning them to 5-6 hours of office style work every single day.
Still hard to process what's going on. A few of my University choices that required conditions have changed to an unconditional offer, however good contact towards those Universities is difficult and no options for travel leave me more confused about what to do than ever. And my current course has to rethink everything since it was very focused on practical work and use of equipment, which is not something most of my class have access to (I'm fortunate in this regard but it surely cannot continue like this). I feel bad for the tutors, this must be a mess to figure this out.
I managed to stock up quite decently on supplies and had help from family too. I also had to uncharacteristically argue with a lot of close people to me since they were assured that I was taking things too seriously by doing this, which completely destroyed my day, but fast forward 2 days later to now and most things around me are closed and everyone seems to finally be taking it seriously, but I'd say right now is late and they haven't been able to prepare very well.
I'm basically just whining openly, so I apologize for that, but for the last few days I've been so lost since everything around me just stopped and it isn't like I get enjoyment out of games or watching things anymore.
I managed to stock up quite decently on supplies and had help from family too. I also had to uncharacteristically argue with a lot of close people to me since they were assured that I was taking things too seriously by doing this, which completely destroyed my day, but fast forward 2 days later to now and most things around me are closed and everyone seems to finally be taking it seriously, but I'd say right now is late and they haven't been able to prepare very well.
I'm basically just whining openly, so I apologize for that, but for the last few days I've been so lost since everything around me just stopped and it isn't like I get enjoyment out of games or watching things anymore.