I know it's The Sun, and I apologise for that, but this is great. "Visibly shaken Corbyn"
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I know it's The Sun, and I apologise for that, but this is great. "Visibly shaken Corbyn"
The manifesto is playing it safe so there are no distractions from the 'Get Brexit Done' message. When they get the majority you can also expect the Tories to go full GOP voter suppression with voter ID laws and boundary changes to lock in their majority. It's going to be really bleak.
the new labour pledge over women's pensions seems weirdly panicky and Hail Mary like. one of the core principles mcdonnell and his team have is that their manifesto's should always be fully costed to the penny as it makes ambitious radical plans seem normal and plausible and harder to position as pie in the sky. yet it's 58bn uncosted....
I think the impact of Brexit have been overstated if anything. There may be harder shocks in the short term but could be beneficial in the longer term.
Top income tax bracket was 50pct only a decade ago, though the change to other personal tax policies are quite radical. Though his plan is just as radical on corporations as the U.K. is actually more efficient at taxing corporations as other EU nations so increasing the corporate tax rate AND giving employees/government a further 10pct of the equity would further increase the effective corporate tax rate to >30pct. This will definitely have an impact on corporates, and there are very serious questions/concerns around its implementation.
I suggest you read the recent FT article on Corbyn's tax plan, and there's a good memo prepared by Clifford Chance which discusses the IOF.
Corbyn's plan is very ambitious and unless he's got a majority to play with will
not be implementable within an election term (and not including the mountain of lawsuits which will ensue following nationalisation attempts).
It felt to me like a reaction to BoJo saying they wouldn't put it right, during the QT leadership debate.
People seem to not appreciate how little corporations are paying in tax. 19% is nothing, and even under Trump it is less than is paid in the USA (it was 40% I believe before he slashed it). Even raising that a few percent would produce insane revenue.
They needed to lean more in to the economics of it anyway before, just saying "it's costed" doesn't help when the perception is you can't be trusted, you really need to go above and beyond to look trustworthy.
I hope you're right because if you're going to self-inflict "small bumps in the road" then you need to see some major improvements just to make up for that loss. My concern is that large Corps and the wealthy etc will do very well out of it but how much of that will trickle down to ordinary households, all signs point to the rich getting richer.
I'm an outside observer in all this (I'm Irish in Ireland) but Corbyn's actually not that bad as politicians go, your country is deeply flawed from the media to the electoral system. And is seems most of the country likes it that way.
He'll never allow Scotland to do another indyref. He made it quite clear that he wants Scotland in the UK.
There are no long term benefits. Brexit is essentially tearing up all our trade deals and starting back at day 0.
Trade deals take a long time to do and current government policy is just to let imports in with minimal checks thus Brexit will shag any business involved with anything to do with goods (physical things)
While this is going on the UK will need to train up new trade envoys as we don't have any and all of the ones used to have work for the EU and do not want to work for the UK because quite frankly the UK is a dumpster fire right now.
The pound will be fucked so everything you get from outside the UK will immediately be more expensive.
No matter what deal the UK get with the EU there will be customs procedures and with it goes delays and increased paperwork and extra costs to complete said paperwork (proof of origin certificates, customs declarations, conformity certificates etc.)
Low value consignment relief is being removed so anything you personally order from outside the UK you will have to pay VAT at 20% and because you will be getting less foreign currency per pound post Brexit you will be paying more VAT.
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That's what I said?
He hates Scotland but won't allow us to leave.
From the BBC live blog:
Has he not read the Labour manifesto???
The Tory manifesto is completely bereft of ideas as expected. Fixes nothing.
Swinson getting hammered on Marr.
Oh look, Gove is getting softballs.
"Paul Johnson from the IFS said:
Has he not read the Labour manifesto???
The Tory manifesto is completely bereft of ideas as expected. Fixes nothing.
Swinson getting hammered on Marr.
Oh look, Gove is getting softballs.
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But then you get people who think the following
The BBC will say ah but we get 50 complaints from people saying we were too hard on Mr Gove and 50 saying we were too soft.
Therefore balanced and impartial.
It a massive flaw in our media for such a long time that if things are balanced then it's ok.
Labour should be using that clip as much as anything else. That and Trump talking about the NHS. Negative campaigning works; indeed, it's what has won the majority of UK elections over the last four decades. Now Labour's own policies are out there, the biggest priority by far should be to terrify people who rely on the NHS and so forth, and they have clips of two of the biggest players in a future Tory government, Cummings and Trump, confirming such fears would be well-placed.
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But we can blame the leader for chosing a direction that cannot possibly win then.
Like Trump in America, it has helped 'validate' their ideas meaning they can be a lot more open.
My point was having people pay more tax is not radical by any true definition of the word. But you're proving my point that it appears radical to people who have been brainwashed to think the role of politics is to appease business with slight changes in tax rates, and not to provide an imagined future of change and hope for the country's populace.
Politics has been reduced to a HR role of making up bullshit responses to why it's currently shit in the country. Most will realise in the next 10/20 years of continuing rise in right-wing extremism that politics true role in a capitalist society is to keep the voter imagining the future will be better.
On Pienaar's politics this morning. Some political commentators felt Corbyn knew the election had probably gone and was now relaxed and going for it. And that conversations had gone on between Bailey and Angela Rayner about who would run for leadership. Though they did not provide any evidence to support what they were saying
stand corrected, but still weird
agree, think this is inherited complacency from 2017 where nick timothy didn't cost his manifesto so they got free credibility just by broadcasters replying "but their manifesto is costed, your isn't" whenever they tried to attack labour. this time around they lack that and have gone with a much more ambitious plan.
compounding this is how in 2017 it was easy to imagine the viability of the big centrepieces like free tuition and nationalised trains and energy which most older voters have witnessed exist in britain in their lifetimes, whereas the policies this time seem more like a long dream wish list not a coherent blueprint. i like the four day working week but that especially seems like one where the practicality seems ridiculous to most voters and hasn't been explained at all.
I think it is a fair point. The next Labour election contest is going to be won by someone who sticks to his radical manifesto, otherwise they will be losing a lot of core support in Momentum etc. That is why I can't see them having any success in becoming centralist as there is too much left wing support among activists that they would expunge.
Yup, and the idea that only the top 5% of earners will pay for all of it and no-one else will sounds (and is) completely unrealistic (https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/201...esto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers). Doesn't help that Labour continues to announce additional costly policies following the manifesto release (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-billion-pound-pledge-women-pension-age-trap) - where is the money going to come for to pay for this?
I hope Labour is comfortable remaining in opposition for the foreseeable future then. If Corbyn loses again the wrong thing to do would be to double down on his politics, in my opinion.
Still wondering why more noise wasn't made about this obvious defence of a US citizen over manslaughter, then seeking punitive action against British citizens for them opposing it.
surely a home run for how the Tories would sell you out?
surely a home run for how the Tories would sell you out?
They have a strong left wing base now that they would lose with a centralised position, so they will be forever opposition using that tactic too.
Don't you know that Labour caused a global economic crisis by spending too much on poor people?
Yes, and also because they let too many *insert minority* into the country, Its caused the land to sink in the sea and that's why places are getting flooded.
Also, here's everyone's favourite careerist cunt.
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Looks like I was wrong about the manifesto and it actually has one thing that would provide a different society in 10-15 years. But guess what no-one can see a future with less working hours and more leisure time, literally the staple of predictions for the future of every decade since the WWII.
Less working hours , more leisure time, and better lives for their children was a top-3 for the population predicting the future, but now it's more hours, less time, and worse lives for our kids and "be happy because we've stopped companies leaving with our reasonable tax-demands, now go work 45 hours".
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I can't tell if he's accusing Labour of racism or that he left in search of more of it. A funny tinge, if you will.
That one from a couple of years back at some sort of talk where he essentially says most Tories don't care about people.
Saw this on twitter which brought me out of the slump this thread and the polls have caused yesterday.
I agree to some point except last time May pressed a big fucking red 'self destruct' button with her manifesto attacking her core voters
thatis not happening this time. The tories manifesto is as safe as possible.
That does seem to be true and things aren't exactly the same as last time but it does show what is technically possible and I need the hope of a hung parliament right now.
Can you be more clear about what kind of benefits can balance out more people dying, basic medecine shortages, the privatization of the NHS and more international companies leaving the UK?
To go back a few pages: that argument is lost on the 80k-100k bracket. An increase of 20% on fresh exotic fruits at Whole Foods is not going to hurt us as much as an increase of 10% on basic products at Aldi will hurt poor people.
And now I think of it, the privatization of the NHS might also be lost as an argument, since most people in that bracket and above have private insurance and don't give two fucks about people who don't.
Anyway, this bracket is 5% of the voting population of UK, was it? Labour should focus their efforts on easier and more numerous crowds.
Yeah she's going in for the kill around Corbyn as well. Presumably because she knows he's anti-nuclear but he's chained to the demands of his voting base.
This further drives the wedge that Scotland is moving in a different direction from England and we need out. If the SNP return 40+ seats it further emboldens this.
This is literally going to be a case of who blinks first though, as if SNP refuse to support because of these red lines, they actually help push a Tory Government into power... Which would mean they'd get neither of these, and well, Labour know they have that leverage as they are the only ones not entirely ruling it out (Indy2) and at least showing Trident needs to be looked at.
So don't support because of the red lines, if JC doesn't blink, you either have to support him, or accept you aren't getting them.
The mess that would ensue from a Labour minority Government where the SNP are constantly talking about how the UK won't respect the will of the Scottish people will only cause more unrest up here.
If a left-wing Government in England won't play ball then as I said it furthers the feeling that our two countries are incompatible.
The SNP won't compromise on the views they've had since being voted into power, they'll turn it back to the Scottish people to say the Union isn't working.
Of course, I don't disagree, but the choices are that, or a Tory government completely ignoring the Scottish, and having absolutely no legal recourse against it.
Sturgeon is right about not waiting 2 or 3 years. I don't know why Corbyn just didn't take the position on Scotland that's its up to the people of Scotland.
Because the Tories would run with the message that Corbyn will carve up the UK.
I don't necessarily agree, but I feel like his position is "Give us a chance to show you how government in Westminster can be not shit, and if you still want out after a few years of us turning things around, fair enough."
apart from min wage I can not see one labour policy that would be enacted to make a change so quickly? Most of them will end up in lengthy court battles, you can not just switch off universal credit, unless I am missing some, most of them are years to implement
Remember the "power" 10 DUP members held?
Corbyn will play it cool pre-election to try and not upset his voting base, but in the unlikely event we had a minority Labour government is he going to throw that away?
The alternative isn't a Tory government, it's a hung parliament with a zombie Tory government that would be in the same positions as it is now, parliament deadlocked. That isn't sustainable unless Labour all defected to support the Tory Brexit deal.
It's looking very unlikely Labour manages to get into the position to ask for an SNP coalition, so Sturgeon is simply playing her cards knowing England is about to go full gammon again anyway. It's bringing out the gammon in Scotland too mind you, the second independence is mentioned up here Rangers fans go fucking apeshit.
They're furiously masturbating over their posters of the Queen (and Steven Gerrard) right now.
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