Johnson already courting his new voter base. I read an earlier article about union members voting Tory...fucking hell lol.
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Johnson already courting his new voter base. I read an earlier article about union members voting Tory...fucking hell lol.
Sounds pretty in line with the antisemitic Labour smearing.
Corbyn was regularly referred to as an antisemite, to the point where it was pretty flippant. same shit.
Um, is that the best you've got, ad-hominen?
I don't agree with everything GG says, but he single-handedly took on the entire UK-US establishment in the aftermath of the Iraq war. And has been a tireless pro-Palestinian campaigner.
Take a leaf, as in sue the The Torygraph for libel and defamation for calling him an AS, yes.
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Canadian here. Seems like the anti-Semitism stuff really hurt Corbyn. Is the broad perception that none of the parties are racist, only Labour, and they're only racist against Jews? Cause that seems way off. Did the Tories skate completely on Windrush? I guess racism isn't a problem if it's against black people.
You are correct. The only type of sustained and critical news on systematic racism is at Labour with antisemitism. Media are a disgrace.
"Be more like Blair" isn't any better, he's a fucking war criminal.
Also the center of politics is dead. To move closer to the center you're agreeing to fuck certain people over as that's how you move further right wing. Fuck that.
Well being more left isn't exactly #winning is it? In fact, being more left gave Labour a historic crushing defeat.
Single handled? What? What happened to everyone else?
George Galloway is an unrepentant racist who stirs up interracial conflict. He's yet to meet a Middle Eastern butcher whom he didn't love and welcome with open arms. He lies as easily as he breathes. He's the literal definition of someone who uses Palestine to cover his anti-semitism.
He blamed Assad's chemical weapon attacks on *Israel* ffs.
He also literally just announced that the left should abandon lgbt rights and anti-racism campaigning to win back seats.
Swell fellow.
Great analysis of the election result. Too long to quote, but I thought this bit was particularly interesting -
Tons more in the pdf.
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Realistically, I don't think the anti-semitism issue really hurt Labour in and of itself. It certainly added to all the other attacks, and didn't help - but I really don't think the anti-semitism made a difference in any of the seats that were lost.
I knocked a lot of doors and it was never raised as an issue, and this is in London.
So they estimate if Labour hadn't backed the 2nd ref LDs would've overtaken them.
Lmao that entire pdf amounts to "Labour were fucked either way"
It's certainly doing better than any of the centrist parties. Lib Dems are dead. The much publicised and loved-by-the-media TIG/Change completely failed, barely managing 4-figures nationally!
Labour still got a higher vote share than 2010 and 2015.
Things have to change, we can't just run the same campaign again, it failed - but centrism is not the answer. Nobody wants it outside of a quite loud media commentariat.
Yeah Brexit really fucked Labour either way. A lot of us were saying this basically since the referendum, a third of Labour voters voted Brexit so they couldn't back Remain or Leave but there's also no good middle ground. They only did as well as they did in the 2017 elections because they successfully changed the conversation away from Brexit to their manifesto which was popular. This time they couldn't do that. Partially because the manifesto and leader were less popular this time but also because Brexit is imminent and Leave voters didn't want any chance of it being taken from them.
Absolutely - this "we would have won if we just supported Lexit" argument is just daft, and I keep seeing it pop up.
Sounds more like there was no pleasing the leave vote and the remain vote wanted more than a referendum. Trying to go for both fucked labour. The Tories were already the leave party, if that's a voter's one issue, why go with labour's referendum stance when you're just an idiot who wants "brexit done" and over with? Leave labour voters either stayed home or voted Tory.
The best option was taken in the end, most of the Labour voters are pro EU, hopefully most of the ones who are for leaving are going to move on now they have got what they want.
I don't know if Corbyn going would have saved more votes or just made brexit more of an issue.
Well the best option would have been to push through Johnsons deal and delay an election for as long as possible but hindsight is 20/20
The best option was the minority coalition but yknow.
Holding the country hostage and refusing an election would've rained down the negative press on Labour, people think the result was bad? Imagine if Corbyn was blamed for delaying Brexit for 6 months...
Labour's loss had nothing to do with its policies. Even John Curtis said labour's policies were polling very favourably. Let's get real, Labour lost because of a media hit job on Corbyn, leaking remain voters to the Lib Dems and leavers to the Tories on brexit and the fact that much of the white working class vote that had traditionally voted labour are actually quite racist and didn't want a leader who "supported" the IRA.
Maybe, I don't think there's much we will really learn from what ifs, it is what it is.
It was going to be much worse at times, I'm not sure the party would have recovered so I will take that small silver lining.
You beat me to it.
Labour didn't lose the election because they were "too left".
They were too much left all at once, Labour are going to need to start off more focused around some core left wing ideas, gain trust and build left over time. A mirror of Blair if people can stomach that image.
They are faffing around with all sorts of ideas, the Cummings revolution is a bit of a dog's breakfast, which I'm kinda happy about, all the faffing around with departments etc keeps people busy doing nothing.
So practically trying to appeal to both sides made Labour leak votes from both camps. As expected. Neutral didn't work one bit.
Also this is interesting:
But go on with the purity tests, I'm sure it will work great in the future too.
Lay with dogs you get fleas.
Our house is looking at cancelling our licence regardless.
Why do the Corbynista faction of the Labour party rate Rebecca Long Bailey so highly?
I'd quite like Keir Starmer to be Labour leader bit I worry his remain stance will hurt him a bit at first but he'd forensically pull Boris apart at PMQs. Far better option than Nandy et al.
I'd quite like Keir Starmer to be Labour leader bit I worry his remain stance will hurt him a bit at first but he'd forensically pull Boris apart at PMQs. Far better option than Nandy et al.
No, but nothing would have really, the Tories were the natural home of the biggest slice of voters.
Non-stop leg day for when the boomers need their doors kicked in.
Voting through Boris' deal was absolutely not the best option. Especially considering how intent they were on not allowing any scrutiny of it. It might have been better to vote through May's deal but she certainly didn't do herself any favours in getting cross party support for it. The moderate Remainer conservatives and lib dems could have also gotten over themselves and supported a government of national unity.
Lol "purity tests"
It's gonna be 5 years of this bullshit isn't it?
Build everything around a green revolution for the north/midlands? Nationalising utilities and higher taxes for the rich can be spun easily to fit that narrative. Keep the tuition fee scrap and rent control to prevent the LDs from gaining ground in the big cities. Obviously keep the promise to end NHS privatisation as that at one point overtook Brexit as the main issue for the election.
I have seen some tories hoping we will become the new China for the USA, we will be in our Foxconn factories for 18 hours a day, no time for that kind of thing.
That doesn't matter now as there won't be any scrutiny now either. It was either vote Boris' deal or May's deal either were preferable to where we are now.
the remain/leave surveys seem incomplete atm given that there was a big turnout differential. turnout went up in many remain seats where the lib dems and greens did better, whereas it went down in the red wall seats where tribal labour voters preferred to stay at home than vote for either the hated tories or corbyn's labour trying to overturn the referendum.
you can't poll the policies individually because people vote for a package
like you could poll britain's favourite foods and ppl would lischocolate cake, ice cream etc...yet if you polled the desirability of a diet consisting solely of those popular treats and suddenly most people would decide it was unhealthy and offputting
you can't poll the policies individually because people vote for a package
like you could poll britain's favourite foods and ppl would lischocolate cake, ice cream etc...yet if you polled the desirability of a diet consisting solely of those popular treats and suddenly most people would decide it was unhealthy and offputting
Which is what I thought was always the issue with proposing a leave deal Labour style. The leavers had already made their choice so trying to swing them with a another proposal was a dead end.
England is full of gullible politically ignorant morons, gammon wall.
Labour leaked votes everywhere:
That's a hell of a swing they need to get back. Looking at Tory government for another 10 years.
Voting through Boris' deal would have been incredibly damaging to Labour Remainer support, even in a post-Brexit world. Pretty sure I remember the Lib dems crowing about the <20 Labour MPs that voted for the bill's second reading.
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