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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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Imagine someone's vote being influenced by facts, disgraceful!
Disgusting but not at all surprising.
I'll have to give the documentary a watch when I get the chance.
If you've ever listened to 606 after a match or the talk sport phone ins you should know the level of debate to expect
No surprise Thornberry didn't want an election. Was the wrong time.
exactly, is a multi millionaire "sir" who is from a London bubble, able to represent the red wall of labour former voters who have left the party?
if he was a remainer , it would be easy pickings
I've always thought he'd be a great choice, agree with what he says here too.
It really shouldn't of happened.
I knew the moment the election was called that this would happen.
Corbyn had a problem in the sense he was calling for an election prior so suddenly his offered it with the Lib Dems and SNP also behind an election so saying no was difficult.
Labour MP's voting through the Brexit Bill didn't help.
She was spot on.
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I remember everyone in these threads yelling at Corbyn for looking weak and not voting for an election immediately
And complaining about how we were never going to get a referendum through parliament
And complaining about how we were never going to get a referendum through parliament
I'll stand by what I said - an election was needed.
Just because it didn't the go the way that was hoped, doesn't change that in my mind.
Just because it didn't the go the way that was hoped, doesn't change that in my mind.
The Lib Dems were even more stupid, what exactly were they hoping to achieve?
I don't think there was any path that led to a good outcome. The cunts have everything locked down.
Jo Swinson's House of Commons.
Same way that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson did, presumably.
Yeah but Starmer has dignity and gravitas. That's not going to appeal to the electorate.
What we need is some panel show gobshite to dunk on the Tories. Someone with a face like a Youtube thumbnail.
Indeed. You can dig through the Brexit OT and see plenty of clamouring for an election or asking why Corbyn hadn't called one before a no deal exit on October 31st had even been ruled out.
She definitely is spot on.
Pretty much, unfortunately.
Blair only got in after getting into bed with Murdoch.
It is probably a slightly better option than looking like you are being dragged into one against your will. The best option was to turf the oaf out and take control of the levers first.
Apparently he got very close to the former Mrs Murdoch if you know what I mean. I think Rupert liked Gordon more though if my memory isn't playing up from continous defeats.
Blair was always close to the Murdochs, well, until he had an affair with Wendi Deng.
And then there were all the people who were convinced it would be a better option to try to persuade the entire parliamentary Labour party to back Ken Clarke as temporary PM than it would be to persuade a handful of Lib Dems to back Corbyn
Lol, nobody wants what Bryan Ferry and Mick Jagger have been inside of. I think he's more into South American women.
Haven't seen it but I do like Richard, and the more lawyers we have near the top the better. Especially during times where the government wants to roll back workers rights and look to reform the way the high courts operate.
But he's too much of an easy target. The same "loony left" and anti-Semite smears will continue if he's deputy/leader. Iirc he did say something about zionism that british jewry did not like much.
No particular problem with Thornberry or the argument that Labour walked into an election being fought on unfavourable terms but anybody that thinks the previous parliament was going to vote in favour of a second referendum and wasn't going to vote for Johnson's withdrawal agreement is flat wrong.
If your sole or primary motivation was stopping Brexit, an election was the only option and a gamble worth taking.
If your sole or primary motivation was stopping Brexit, an election was the only option and a gamble worth taking.
Yeah, I thought he was promoted against his will in the beginning, but he's usually good and also good entertainment now and again, it would be a shame to lose him completely.
I like how every graph forgets about poc, just like how everything else forgets us.
Yeah it's be interesting to see, but we can probably guess how it looks.
"White people go Tory at 23."
Some Labour centrists make fun of Barry Gardiner but he's actually a very passionate and articulate man, which is a good combination when you need to distil a complex point into a TV soundbite. He should stick around.
I think the next Labour leader, whoever they may be, needs to be a unifying force above all. If the centrist MPs rig the selection and make the decision between lots of candidates unappealing to the left, they will be foolishly taking their base for granted and I expect the party to not only bleed members, but voters. Remember, all the people who voted Labour in 2017 are potential voters for a strong progressive manifesto, as far as I see it, even if the drama of Brexit ultimately put them off and they stayed home or switched Tory to "get Brexit done". That's nearly 40% of the electorate, assuming the message and leadership are strong. Plus we have a large portion of the electorate who voted Labour last week who will be heartbroken if New Labour types take over the party and undo all the work of the last five years, merely out of spite (or to try and get good, well-meaning people to leave the party).
The way I see it is that there is a majority building up that will wash away the Tories all across the country, and they're generally under the age of 45 right now. And the more Tories fuck things up then the more people we have coming of age who will utterly loathe them. So the short-term aim of any Labour leadership is to not take us back to 2015, but to build on what we've got and learn from the mistakes and successess of the last five years. Obviously we want to win the 2024/2025(?) election, but we're not going to get anywhere fast if we have a candidate who stokes the fires of the Labour civil war.
I'd consider the two worst choices to be Jess Phillips and Rebecca Long Bailey. Jess Phillips because she's been injecting poison into the party for the last five years (undoubtedly contributing to where we're at now) and doesn't even deserve to have a shot at it for her disgusting behaviour, and RLB because rightly or wrongly she's seen as a puppet of Corbyn and McDonnell and the same people who sabotaged Corbyn's leadership will try to sabotage her leadership.
I like Kier Starmer personally, but I'm not sure he can lead us to an election victory because he has strong Remain credentials and that's electoral poison right now. If the leadership election is called when the wheels start coming off Brexit well and truly (say, in six months time) then I think he'd be a far stronger candidate, but first impressions with the kinds of people we need to win over will kill him on day 1. I think Emily Thornberry gets people's backs up too much.
But I'm open-minded about those two. It's a tough choice, however, and I'd like to see who throws their hat in.
I think the next Labour leader, whoever they may be, needs to be a unifying force above all. If the centrist MPs rig the selection and make the decision between lots of candidates unappealing to the left, they will be foolishly taking their base for granted and I expect the party to not only bleed members, but voters. Remember, all the people who voted Labour in 2017 are potential voters for a strong progressive manifesto, as far as I see it, even if the drama of Brexit ultimately put them off and they stayed home or switched Tory to "get Brexit done". That's nearly 40% of the electorate, assuming the message and leadership are strong. Plus we have a large portion of the electorate who voted Labour last week who will be heartbroken if New Labour types take over the party and undo all the work of the last five years, merely out of spite (or to try and get good, well-meaning people to leave the party).
The way I see it is that there is a majority building up that will wash away the Tories all across the country, and they're generally under the age of 45 right now. And the more Tories fuck things up then the more people we have coming of age who will utterly loathe them. So the short-term aim of any Labour leadership is to not take us back to 2015, but to build on what we've got and learn from the mistakes and successess of the last five years. Obviously we want to win the 2024/2025(?) election, but we're not going to get anywhere fast if we have a candidate who stokes the fires of the Labour civil war.
I'd consider the two worst choices to be Jess Phillips and Rebecca Long Bailey. Jess Phillips because she's been injecting poison into the party for the last five years (undoubtedly contributing to where we're at now) and doesn't even deserve to have a shot at it for her disgusting behaviour, and RLB because rightly or wrongly she's seen as a puppet of Corbyn and McDonnell and the same people who sabotaged Corbyn's leadership will try to sabotage her leadership.
I like Kier Starmer personally, but I'm not sure he can lead us to an election victory because he has strong Remain credentials and that's electoral poison right now. If the leadership election is called when the wheels start coming off Brexit well and truly (say, in six months time) then I think he'd be a far stronger candidate, but first impressions with the kinds of people we need to win over will kill him on day 1. I think Emily Thornberry gets people's backs up too much.
But I'm open-minded about those two. It's a tough choice, however, and I'd like to see who throws their hat in.
Who ever comes out of the contest as Labour leader, the whole party needs to accept it and back them.
Boris has cleared out anyone who would oppose him internally already and pretty much all that's left is yes-men and sycophants. The end result of that is that what he presents to the nation is a"unified" party — the last thing Labour need is a very public civil war about its future while Boris is able to present the illusion of unity. The media will have a field day amplifying the optics of that.
Boris has cleared out anyone who would oppose him internally already and pretty much all that's left is yes-men and sycophants. The end result of that is that what he presents to the nation is a"unified" party — the last thing Labour need is a very public civil war about its future while Boris is able to present the illusion of unity. The media will have a field day amplifying the optics of that.
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