UK: Sir Keir Starmer is the new Labour Party leader, replacing Jeremy Corbyn
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White van men will be queueing up in their droves to vote for him now, rather than that toff cyclist. A smart political operator at play.
The people who wrote the Left Out book said on a podcast that the report is not going to lead to the expulsion of Corbyn like some on the right of the party would have hoped for.
I'm mainly looking to see if there was any interference and to what degree of anti-semetism cases from the leadership office or Corbyn himself. It going to be released tomorrow, so will be interesting to say the least. Starmer will probably have a response ready.
Yeah, Corbyn and Starmer will both make statements.
The only thing that looks iffy is the infighting not being looked into(for some reason if true) so it looks like Court action is going to happen which Starmer isn't going to like. We all know HQ was a disaster but i don't think the way forward is pretending it's all down to Corbyn and co.
I'm not sure how it's going to go but i can't see many swallowing the idea that labour suddenly had a problem when Corbyn took over and then it disappeared when Starmer told off RLB. One minute people are invoking fears and memories of the holocaust and now it's crickets
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Left wing groups are promising legal action if the report doesn't go into HQ undermining Corbyn and they feel the outcome is unbalanced.
So yeah, i think Starmer might have created a headache for himself by wanting to kill everything off so quickly when he took over.
So yeah, i think Starmer might have created a headache for himself by wanting to kill everything off so quickly when he took over.
I liked the part where one of the conclusions of a major report pointed out that the leader's office shouldn't make politically motivated choices or interferer followed an hour later by the leader's office making a politically motivated choice to interfere.
Lol. I just can't today. I'm fucking livid and I'm not even a Labour member or anything (SNP). I'm just amazed they haven't tried to weaponise this against the SNP and find one random batshit crazy member's tweets and bring the whole thing down like they seem to have done with the left of Labour.
I haven't listened to it but she could mean the way antisemitism can work is by portraying Jews as powerful and controlling. The more Jews are seen to suceed the more they are viewed as priveleged and in control. This is the thinking behind the George Soros stuff. So punching up in that sense.
To be clear Corbyn has been suspended pending an investigation. Starmer hasn't interfered in anything and if you watched his conference he was at pains to say he shouldn't be making decisions to kick people out of the party himself.
had a quick browse of Twitter and I see someone refer to the Greens as 'Green Tories'
that's enough internet based political fighting for today me thinks
for what it's worth, Labour are saying he didn't make the decision
that's enough internet based political fighting for today me thinks
for what it's worth, Labour are saying he didn't make the decision
Considering the photographers outside his house told him and it didn't come via the proper channels I find that hard to believe.
We're supposed to believe this was all handled correctly and nobody can even tell you what rule was broken.
Do me a favour.
He can be suspended for bringing the party into disrepute would be my arguement if I was David Evans. I believe it was him who made the decision.
Well Corbyn has belatedly clarified what he meant, so hopefully cooler heads prevail, and that means Corbyn starts admitting he has fucked up in some capacity.
Honeslty the only way I see Corbyn staying in the party right now is if he makes a proper apology, fully admitting to his mistakes as leader and for his past comments/associations. The backlash from Corbyn staying in the party will make Starmer look weak otherwise.
kicking him out to look strong is not a good move either, Corbyn should be allowed to defend himself as well.
He had better start doing a better job of it though and maybe get some outside advice.
Past 10 years of austerity should make the difference between even a 'right wing' Labour government and any Tory government pretty clear.
The left can still have massive influence over the party if they don't run away, if they can't fight for influence in the biggest left-ish party in the country then what's the point.
I think the party needs to bury Corbyn and move on.
I never supported him and will be glad to see the back of him - that said, he got a rough ride and was treated unfairly at times.
He's overseen a disastrous period in Labour's history and the longer he's associated with the party, the more damage he does as far as I'm concerned.
He's a backbench MP at best and was never a leader.
I know this seems like I can't stand the bloke, but that's not true. He's a principled man and sticks to his beliefs, but today shows he needs to be removed and forgotten about.
I never supported him and will be glad to see the back of him - that said, he got a rough ride and was treated unfairly at times.
He's overseen a disastrous period in Labour's history and the longer he's associated with the party, the more damage he does as far as I'm concerned.
He's a backbench MP at best and was never a leader.
I know this seems like I can't stand the bloke, but that's not true. He's a principled man and sticks to his beliefs, but today shows he needs to be removed and forgotten about.
I liked Corby in the very beginning, but at this point my raw, simplistic and unreasonable feeling is that I kind of wish he never existed.
His time as leader has been stressful as fuck at best and potentially country destroying at worst.
Its not that I hate him or even have a strong dislike, I'm just tired of the ineffective nature of his opposition and leadership, regardless of who is/was to blame.
His time as leader has been stressful as fuck at best and potentially country destroying at worst.
Its not that I hate him or even have a strong dislike, I'm just tired of the ineffective nature of his opposition and leadership, regardless of who is/was to blame.
I am not votin Labour in the next election.
You need to think long term. He was good for the long term. A lot of things changed because of him.
You need to think long term. He was good for the long term. A lot of things changed because of him.
ahh I think I've missed this - could you link?
I was hoping to see that - presumed that his earlier statement may have been made in some form of haste.
Although I would agree the benefit of Corbyn is pushing the party to the left. You sound like a Brexiteer, talking about the long term positive effect of leaving the EU because in the short term it will be shit. Corbyn lost and handed the Tories a massive majority, you can't spin that away talking about the supposed long term positive effect.
Who would have predicted that the MSM vilification would actually work so well? I thought after Trump and Brexit the electorate would be more willing to disbelieve the MSM.
Brexiteers are wrong about the long term. And I even question if an anti-Brexit centrist would have won against Boris.
so the leadership were involved.
edit: here's the clip from newsnight. Seems clear Starmer's "consolation" came before a decision had been made.
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Oh god, post the he ran over a cyclist article in the local rag (Hull Live/Traffic page) and they will change their minds on voting Labour again. The amount of anger at (All because people are idiots) cyclists on there and attacks locally is depressing.
Incredibly stupid if he was aware and still went out and said something to the contrary of what Keir was going to say.
Especially as he must have known that an intervention like that would further amplify the story...
stubbornness personified
should've really just been a day for Labour as a whole to accept the findings, certainly not appear to be downplaying it (however wronged he felt - it just looks bad), and attempt to draw a like under the issue whilst making the necessary improvements.
Especially as he must have known that an intervention like that would further amplify the story...
stubbornness personified
should've really just been a day for Labour as a whole to accept the findings, certainly not appear to be downplaying it (however wronged he felt - it just looks bad), and attempt to draw a like under the issue whilst making the necessary improvements.