I'm all for having female leadership, but a vagina didn't help those two pigs be better human beings.Their benches are now more diverse than ever, and it is somewhat embarrassing that Labour have yet to have a female leader while the Tories have had 2.
So can I just understand something, you're saying that audioboxer posts about his politics and people engage him and that upsets you because you don't like his politics?
I'm all for having female leadership, but a vagina didn't help those two pigs be better human beings.
So can I just understand something, you're saying that audioboxer posts about his politics and people engage him and that upsets you because you don't like his politics?
Posting page and page of diatribes to push his political party
Am I the only person who liked Ed? I liked his policies (he's an environmentalist) and yes his photos were funny and he was bad at public speaking but I always thought his heart was in the right place.
Ed was likeable, just had the competence argument thrown at him and the press eviscerated him. Anything would have been better than Cameron though, then airlifting us into Boris.
I don't think Miliband would have destroyed the country, at worst maybe just not done much radical either way.
Well, Cameron then Theresa May (cringe) then Boris. It was the unholy trifecta.
He was actively trying to block Murdoch taking over Sky, so at least he tried to petition against that. The expenses scandal revealed him as being one of the "saints" through the process as well. I think the poor guy was ridiculed too much. Shame the guy couldn't present himself better to the public, not like Labour would have won anyway.
Amen to that (and to clarify, that isn't what I was saying when I quoted). But you know, maybe it is time we be extra careful electing men!! - Trump, Boris, Putin etc, etc.I think all you can say though is there is talent and competence in the Labour party when it happens to be people who are women. Just because the Conservatives gave opportunities to two women who were both incompetent and destroyed lives, doesn't mean that has to reflect on every women who might want to be a leader. I mean, look at the amount of incompetent men who have ran countries and wrecked them, and not many people every try to say "Well, that should be us being extra careful to elect a man".
Amen to that (and to clarify, that isn't what I was saying when I quoted). But you know, maybe it is time we be extra careful electing men!! - Trump, Boris, Putin etc, etc.
My comment about them not picking the handsome Miliband was facetious, but I do wonder how David would have fared vs. Cameron, and the butterfly effect it would have had on Corbyn, Brexit et al.
My distinct memory of Ed was he was a the epitome of robotic "canned response" politician and he was kind of goofy looking and spoke funny to boot. The funny thing is, since stepping down, becoming a radio personality and actually being able to show his personality, he became very likeable after the fact.
Lot of fuss on twitter over this one...people saying it's only cause he's northern he gets called an idiot and that he's a Cambridge grad.
My comment about them not picking the handsome Miliband was facetious, but I do wonder how David would have fared vs. Cameron, and the butterfly effect it would have had on Corbyn, Brexit et al.
The amount of people preaching there was nothing wrong with the Labour Party under Corbyn while people like Burgon personified them during the election cycle clearly defined how clueless most people weighing in on politics during that time were. It's a shame we've only returned to a sense of sanity now that it will probably matter the least. The tories have the perfect playbook of "well we spent a lot on unprecedented measures so now we must cut back!" narratives to field while Labour have to prove they're more competent than a "war time" government in "peace time", which is no easy feat.
I only ducked my head in after the election and it was such a shitshow it definitely seemed like people needed a good 3 months of getting Corbynmania out of their systems, so that probably checks out. I've had people arguing with me to this day that my stance of "Corbyn was unelectable" is incorrect, despite history proving me correct not once, but twice, and such people still wanted him to lead the party? People at least seem to have taken RLB's obvious defeat with a bit more grace.There's only a few hard core Corbyn supporters in the UK politics thread, most are Labour but even people like me on the left of the party have plenty of issues with how things have been handled, then again half the PLP refusing to do their fucking duty doesn't help.
I only ducked my head in after the election and it was such a shitshow it definitely seemed like people needed a good 3 months of getting Corbynmania out of their systems, so that probably checks out. I've had people arguing with me to this day that my stance of "Corbyn was unelectable" is incorrect, despite history proving me correct not once, but twice, and such people still wanted him to leave the party? People at least seem to have taken RLB's obvious defeat with a bit more grace.
I'm just sad that the Labour Party has had to shed so much talent over the last five years as they were driven from the party by cultists and incompetence. I'm sure there are many that have have qualms with Tom Watson, but I liked the lad, and the bizarre attempt to delete him just before the party conference was a peak point of Momentum Must Be Stopped.
I only ducked my head in after the election and it was such a shitshow it definitely seemed like people needed a good 3 months of getting Corbynmania out of their systems, so that probably checks out. I've had people arguing with me to this day that my stance of "Corbyn was unelectable" is incorrect, despite history proving me correct not once, but twice, and such people still wanted him to lead the party? People at least seem to have taken RLB's obvious defeat with a bit more grace.
I'm just sad that the Labour Party has had to shed so much talent over the last five years as they were driven from the party by cultists and incompetence. I'm sure there are many that have have qualms with Tom Watson, but I liked the lad, and the bizarre attempt to delete him just before the party conference was a peak point of Momentum Must Be Stopped.
Labour has faced criticism for selling a branded mug that boasts of the party's plans to control immigration.
The red mug reads "controls on immigration" above the words "I'm voting Labour on 7 May", and is on sale for £5 through its online merchandise store.
Diane Abbott, the MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington and a former Labour leadership hopeful, tweeted a picture of the mug on Sunday afternoon with the words: "This shameful mug is an embarrassment. But the real problem is that immigration controls are one of our five pledges at all."
basically turfing out pretty much everyone that was out of their depth in the last shadow cabinet and keeping all the decent ones so far. encouraging. Not sure I would have picked Nandy for shadow foreign, though she'll make light work of Raab anyway. And Jess Phillips should have been given a position to prove she's not all talk.
And Ed, nice
I will never get why people hate her. She clearly WON"T suppress minority votes as she has consistently won her ethnically diverse constituencies by big margins.Jess Philips should be absolutely nowhere near any prominent role unless you want to suppress minority votes. She's pretty much the Labour version of Jo Swinson.
I think Starmer knows what he's doing not putting Philips in.
Jess Philips should be absolutely nowhere near any prominent role unless you want to suppress minority votes. She's pretty much the Labour version of Jo Swinson.
I think Starmer knows what he's doing not putting Philips in.
I will never get why people hate her. She clearly WON"T suppress minority votes as she has consistently won her ethnically diverse constituencies by big margins.
Labour can afford zero distractions, even if she knuckled down for the team she will put her foot in it.
yeah pretty ruthless but then he does have the whole PLP to choose from unlike Corbyn.basically turfing out pretty much everyone that was out of their depth in the last shadow cabinet and keeping all the decent ones so far. encouraging. Not sure I would have picked Nandy for shadow foreign, though she'll make light work of Raab anyway. And Jess Phillips should have been given a position to prove she's not all talk.
And Ed, nice
yeah pretty ruthless but then he does have the whole PLP to choose from unlike Corbyn.
I have heard from people who have dealt with her that she's a saint.I don't hate her, she just has a long legacy of white feminism. Whether that bothers white people or not, it bothers many POC.
She also showed in the leadership campaign it was a lot about "Jess Philips" like Jo Swinson had "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats". It's one way to do it, but it often backfires as ego rather than being a public servant.
I, and many other people, consider Barry Gardiner to be a fucking idiot. I'm glad he's gone.It does kinda make a difference when people aren't sulking about losing.
Barry Gardiner deserves a job, he works hard for the party, generally performs well and isn't boring, he's wasted on the backbenches.
I, and many other people, consider Barry Gardiner to be a fucking idiot
Not really, I was mainly interested in being a smartarse whilst trying to make a point.
I have heard from people who have dealt with her that she's a saint.
From what I've seen, I don't think she has a 'long legacy of white feminism' at all and I think that's a really strong accusation, but people have different opinions.
I guess the real issue is that she was harsh on Corbyn in public. Even I, who really thought Corbyn was absolute shite, thought that she didn't help anyone by being so vocal.
Maybe as such a divisive figure, it is best for her not to be in the SC, though.
I think a different tack needs to be taken. The next Labour leader must not, in their efforts to win votes, "do anything" to concede to the right-wing and drag Labour back to the political centre. Both former leaders Tony Blair and Ed Miliband tried this approach, respectively leading Britain into a widely unpopular war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and pushing Labour's stance on immigration closer to the right than it had been in decades. This clumsy attempt to "keep up" with the Tories was famously symbolised by Labour's brash red promotional mug released in 2015, which bore the slogan "controls on immigration" above the statement "I'm voting Labour".
This retracing of steps back into the political centre by pledging to win "trust" from particular demographics has resurfaced as rhetoric in the wake of the election. Jess' article this weekend focused on what she framed as Labour's betrayal of the "working class". While the Labour party and the left absolutely need to take stock and build strategies around the failure of this election, this angle entirely erases people of colour in the working class. The working class is not a monolith. 61 of the 63 most diverse constituencies did actually vote Labour last week, so we can only assume that by "working class" Jess is referring to white voters. As journalist Ash Sarkar also wrote on Twitter: "I'm not sure if how you shore up [Labour] votes is simply by chucking your working class BAME and young voters under the bus and hoping Bolsover comes back".
Labour has been down this road before; this fervour for reconnecting with white voters by drifting into the centre echoes Labour leader Ed Miliband's 2012 speech which marked Labour tentatively hopping on board with hostile environment rhetoric, just one month before Theresa May sent "go home vans" into six of London's most diverse boroughs. In his speech, Ed says: "Worrying about immigration, talking about immigration, thinking about immigration, does not make [people] bigots […] if we are to address people's concerns, I believe Labour must change its approach to immigration. Recognising the costs as well as the benefits".
So knowing that Jess' politics leave a lot to be desired, where do we go from here? Moving forwards, we need a Labour leader who can carry the torch that Jeremy has lit aflame, learn from what went wrong, and maintain an unswerving commitment to anti-racism, anti-imperialism and social justice. In practice, this means continuing to protect freedom of movement, dismantling the hostile environment, holding the government to account for properly compensating victims of the Windrush scandal, and rehousing survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire. We need to ask ourselves whether someone with a track record for dismissing communities of colour with sweeping stereotypical statements is up to the job.
We need a Labour leader who isn't going to use misappropriate the phrase "working class" as a dog whistle for appealing to white racist voters, at any cost. We need a leader who will bring our communities together, not entrench racist stereotypes that play directly into the rhetoric of the far-right. We need a leader who recognises that foreign policy, climate change, and the trident nuclear warheads are feminist issues, as women of colour in the global south are most directly impacted by Britain's wars and exploits globally. Progress has been made on the left which must not be undone by a new leader whose white feminism leaves women of colour and marginalised communities out of a vision for the way forward. We must continue to believe and act on the premise that a different politics is possible.
Not really, I was mainly interested in being a smartarse whilst trying to make a point.
Jess Philips should be absolutely nowhere near any prominent role unless you want to suppress minority votes. She's pretty much the Labour version of Jo Swinson.
I think Starmer knows what he's doing not putting Philips in.