They had a replica ready for him, he just needed a reason to wake up. Seeing Xion apparently did the trick.
[UNMARKED SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III & ReMind DLC- Spoiler Thread
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Speaking of gameplay and Kingdom Hearts 2, there is no explanation really why Sora cannot dual wield blades other than he lost some of his power in DDD. But obviously in general he is stronger than he ever was gameplay wise. Dual wielding would have been the perfect icing on the cake for the combat IMO.
Dark Riku is just a norted 2nd Riku Replica. What in the game implies Vanitas time traveled?
It is implied that Vanitas were revived thanks to the huge amount of negative energy in Monsters inc. If I'm not mistaken.
Welp.
Something is off for me. So if he's just a 2nd Riku Replica why didn't they make 10 of those and call it a day? Also the negativity revived Vanitas doesn't make much sense either. Why wasn't another creature of negative energy/darkness etc created since Vanitas was dead?
Not that any of this matters in the end but still.
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The secret reports have Vexen saying that they're using old prototypes (Xemnas, Ansem, Young Xehanort) and a few new models (Dark Riku, Xion, Roxas). It doesn't sound like he had a lot of time
I don't know the answer to the Vanitas thing, sorry.
I don't have a problem with a 2nd Riku Replica but the Vanitas explanation isn't very satisfying to me either. It would be one thing if Vanitas was just the physical embodiment of all negative thoughts, but he's specifically Ventus' darkness. It makes sense having Unversed be there, but why would children's screams and sadness or whatever randomly recreate something as specific as Vanitas?
The Unversed are made from Vanitas, they are Vanitas.
The remaining Unversed just came together and reformed hi,
We didn't need another Riku. The replica wasn't important in the first place.
I guess I just felt real bad for him like I did for Roxas/Xion/ Namine. It was a bro that wasn't necessary moment, come back with us and be our edgy Riku.
My idea for the next kh
Prologue title spin off introductory.
No space with gummiship
But, an open world world with elements, FF and TWEWY
Main protagonist yozora
Main party, playable characters sora riku and yozora
Main world history
Mix between the plot of versus 13 and TWEWY
Together with yozora, Sora and Riku will live a minor parallel adventure to act as a prologue for kh4
In this open world world there will be portals / pages of the book of prophecies to enter some disney worlds
Disney worlds can only be completed with riku and sora
To advance in the main story you will have to complete the various Disney portals
Prologue title spin off introductory.
No space with gummiship
But, an open world world with elements, FF and TWEWY
Main protagonist yozora
Main party, playable characters sora riku and yozora
Main world history
Mix between the plot of versus 13 and TWEWY
Together with yozora, Sora and Riku will live a minor parallel adventure to act as a prologue for kh4
In this open world world there will be portals / pages of the book of prophecies to enter some disney worlds
Disney worlds can only be completed with riku and sora
To advance in the main story you will have to complete the various Disney portals
Also at the time. There was no guarantee that they could just "Make more Replicas". They had no idea Even was on their side
He's not. He's lying and just a replica. He says as much as he's dying, and the 1st Replica says so too. He wants to convince you that's he's real when he's just a copy. That's why they specifically used him in the Big Hero 6 world and in the second Baymax story.
Yeah Im
Not saying it's a plot hole or anything. Just that it kinda sucks that everyone without a body got one except him.
It's both.
He's from the past and a replica. Roxas says as much. "Most of the Organization members traveled here from the past as hearts. And you had replicas ready and waiting for each of them."
Dark Riku's heart traveled from the past and was in a new replica body created by Vexen.
Sora also didn't get a body :P
So he is our Dark Riku and a replica. Makes sense
Now this makes me wonder... How did the original Replica Riku even take Riku's form? You need a heart to give a Relica a form, do you not? Or did the fabricated memories Naminé provided give it a heart?
I'm also still not clear on Master Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort's deal. Which one is the recompleted form? This would mean one of them is from the past, and Apprentice Xehanort is still missing. I'm gonna assume Nomura forgot or chose to ignore this, I suppose.
I'm also still not clear on Master Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort's deal. Which one is the recompleted form? This would mean one of them is from the past, and Apprentice Xehanort is still missing. I'm gonna assume Nomura forgot or chose to ignore this, I suppose.
Isn't Terranort from the past because he hasn't aged? We know nobodies age so it has to be him before the amnesia thing. The recompelted thing is really confusing since killing Xemnas and Ansem should make Terranort not Master Xehanort like it's implied.
I meant he's specifically not possessed Riku from KH1.
Isnt Dark Riku just past Riku replica who thinks he's real Riku? That's what I thought.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, but as you said, we're supposed to get Terra-Xehanort reformed instead of Master Xehanort... It being past Terra-Xehanort would diminish Terra breaking free too, cause he'd have only been the guardian for a little while, as compared to if he was the guardian for more than ten years.
This is my understanding of it too. Didn't Replica Riku say "That's me" or something to that effect?
Oh yeah, he did.
That would means he's Riku replica from before Namine brainwashed him
Xigbar, Saix, Marluxia, Larxene, Luxord all chose to be Nobodys again, theyre not replicas and they're not from the past. So did Vexen and Demyx.
Terra-Xehanort is not a replica or from the past
Master Xehanort isnt a replica or from the past
Vanitas isn't a replica or from the past
Xion, Dark Riku, Ansem, Xemnas, Young Xehanort are in replica bodies
Xemnas, Ansem, and Young Xehanort are specifically from the past
How is that most of the organization traveling from the past as hearts into replica bodies?
What is Roxas' line in Japanese?
Terra-Xehanort is not a replica or from the past
Master Xehanort isnt a replica or from the past
Vanitas isn't a replica or from the past
Xion, Dark Riku, Ansem, Xemnas, Young Xehanort are in replica bodies
Xemnas, Ansem, and Young Xehanort are specifically from the past
How is that most of the organization traveling from the past as hearts into replica bodies?
What is Roxas' line in Japanese?
Exactly but I guess they also didn't want Terra to be the only one of the trio to age. It's funny because there is still clearly a bit of Terra in Xemnas/Ansem although Ansem takes more from Master Xehanort. I've said this before but it's interesting how Terranort, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas are basically their own people at this point.
This is the same series that on like, five occasions made Sora look like a 14 year old again after KH2 was released. Nomura is deathly afraid of aging the cast.
I think it was onlt DDD and Coded and both of them had BS explanations.
I expect a modern Dragon Ball "They age but you don't really notice" soon
I can head canon Terra being the same age due to time travel shenanigans. Aqua looking the same confuses me more since Riku definitley aged in the Realm of Darkness.
Was the you need a strong heart to become a non Dusk Nobody retconned? How did Ansem's lot guarantee they would become them? Is it just another silly thing which you can't think too hard about?
I think the official wording was "strong will." And if they already became (people shaped) Nobodies once they probably felt pretty confident they would become Nobodies again. Assuming you're talking about Marluxia, Larxene, Luxord, Saix, etc.
I think control of the process makes a difference since they did it under controlled circumstances (but yes also don't think too hard about it).
Notable that Apprentice Xehanort/Ansem was the only one to split into a fully self-aware Heartless *and* Nobody (though obviously his Heartless needed to possess Riku before taking full physical form again). Presumably the rest of them didn't have that much inherent darkness before becoming Nobodies and playing with it at will.
I guess that kinda makes sense.
I forgot about this, makes me wonder if anybody else could keep their form... Well as much as Ansenort did considering he needed to possess Riku. Would Luxu? I'm probably thinking about this too hard.
I also do not get the people saying Terranort isn't from the past. How are there two present Xehanorts?
If he was from the past then he would need to return there. That's how the time travel that Xehanort's group was using worked.
Most likely due to the presence of two hearts, both Master Xehanort and Terra came back after Xemnas was defeated, but Xehanort somehow managed to maintain control of Terra's body. That's really the only explanation that makes sense right now.
Same logic by which he was in Braig *and* Terra at the end of BBS, I think.
What if Terranort is a replica and Terra wasn't sent back because he wasn't the one defeated, it was Xehanort? Does that work? I don't remember the fight well.
I imagine Master Xehanort has some degree of control over anyone that is (or has been, in this case) as vessel of his, like when he sics Saix on Axel in Dream Drop Distance without even saying a word.
I think the whole thing is just a plot hole that stems from Nomura wanting old man Xeahnort to be the villain for the game.
Even though the game logic up to this point has said Terranort is the entity that should exist at this point in time, and even though a multi stage boss battle vs Terranort then old man Xeahnort would have made perfect sense, Nomura just really wanted the old man as the antagonist.
Which sucks because without Leonard Nimoy the old man is way less imposing than in BBS.
Also, as cool as Xehanort's keyblade armor is in the final boss... what happened to the No Heart armor? :V
I believe these armors were created for this moment specifically
Well, yeah, it's just interesting that he's so far the only person to have more than one set of armor.
Leonard Nimoy was Xehanort! Damn, no wonder I enjoyed the old voice actor more. The idea of these famous voice actors voicing KH original characters always makes me laugh when I imagine them reading the scripts.