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I wonder how big it's going to be once packaged( if successful )
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Unreal Engine 5 - Dev Workflow Stream Today 5/26
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I wonder how big it's going to be once packaged( if successful )
Yeah, and it will also likely not be applicable for vegetation if you want to make it sway.
Nevertheless, if they can have "rigid body" characters and vehicles animated with Nanites, it's already impressive, and it will save a lot of the geometry budget for the soft body stuffs.
Truth be told Fortnite has the highest chance of being a polished first impression game compared to the first UE4 game.
The framerate is awful.
Got a horrible feeling we're going to be back in 30fps-land on consoles again once UE5 games start releasing.
I'm getting so triggered by people in the thread saying "the vault animation looks bad" when as a game developer I'm over here completely gobsmacked by the possible applications of the Motion Warping tools they used to make it, and how easy it would be to do complicated animation work with them now.
Y'all have no clue how hard it is to make something like that, and are also viewing this entire presentation through the wrong lense. This presentation is for developers, and isn't meant to be completely polished on every little bit.
Y'all have no clue how hard it is to make something like that, and are also viewing this entire presentation through the wrong lense. This presentation is for developers, and isn't meant to be completely polished on every little bit.
They already promised 60 FPS and betetr res coming down the line. Don't forget Fortnite even started in 30 Fps, lower res and worse graphics and things shifted after.
Of course we are, gonna need a mid-gen upgrade or to play on PC if you want 60fps
I can imagine Gears 6 being a showcase for a 60fps UE5 title
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that's because nanite doesn't play with animated meshes. so foliage is out of the question for now. IMO, the drab art and the falloff of polygons to fidelity made for a rather drab demo
I chuckled when they showed those static herb tufts and I knew why they shouldn't have wind blowing over them. XD
If you think about it, UE4 compared to UE4 now is a completely different beast, I'm sure UE5 will even be more impressive as it gets constantly updated.
that explains a lot, thx
That'll be up to developers and how they design their games. It can happen, but I wouldn't use this as a reference. Remember, at the end of the day, it's just a tech demo to show how what the engine can do. An actual game would be much different.
This could be the biggest leap in visuals since...I don't know, forever?
And people are complaining :D
It does remain to be seen if enough resources are left to handle characters with deformable mesh and stuff like foliage on top of Nanite though.
And how it can scale for higher framerates or less powerful hardware.
And people are complaining :D
It does remain to be seen if enough resources are left to handle characters with deformable mesh and stuff like foliage on top of Nanite though.
And how it can scale for higher framerates or less powerful hardware.
DLSS plugin will be available for UE5
developer.nvidia.com
NVIDIA RTX, Unreal Engine 5 Define Future of Game Development and Content Creation | NVIDIA Technical Blog
Unreal Engine 5 (UE5) is available in Early Access, delivering the next-generation engine from Epic Games that will further propel the industry forward.
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Well. It's the max leap reached sicne you can bring your source models costing millions or billions of polygons without needing to butcher them by hacks and other approximated methods (normal, height maps and so on), which were smart back then but they aren't needed now. the same thing happened last gen with PBR eliminating the need for baked light maps for each surface.
Lumen, just like RT will eliminate the need for baking light data too and will free up artisst to focus on creating other things instead of doing more hacks.
This is basically cinema quality we are getting now.
This is size of raw assets not size of runtime assets on disc. They give some value for assets size on this page.
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This engine will define this generation like UE4 for defined the last one... so many great games were made with UE4, I seriously can't wait to see what the developers will do with UE5.
Final Fantasy VII-3 will looks glorious and divine. ( yes Part 3 not part 2 ).
Final Fantasy VII-3 will looks glorious and divine. ( yes Part 3 not part 2 ).
Combing over the documentation right now and both Nanite and Lumen are quite limited at this point:
There aren't that many use cases where you could make games with interesting game design and be constrained to Lumen and Nanite. While it may be true that over 90% of the geometry in a given scene uses rigid bodies, that doesn't mean that it represents 90% of geometry that the player will notice or interact with, and honestly highlighting how nanite can virtualize what is essentially environment geometry comes across as a bit dismissive regarding the relevance of the use of soft bodies in many video game scenarios, not to mention organic environments in different climates/biomes that just wouldn't be work well if they were restricted to rigid body geometry (hence the new demos showing same barren landscapes they showed before).
No forward rendering support is also disappointing but expected. I know most devs use deferred these days but it's still nice to have options, especially if transparency/translucency is gonna be prominent in a project's scenes.
No two-sided materials is unfortunate as well considering how many artist tricks are reliant on such behavior.
I hope the screen tracing does a good enough job of compensating for the shortcomings of the proxy meshes because they don't look anywhere near the quality of the original meshes.
So yeah, while I'm excited for the potential of this engine, I do not foresee many games this generation making exclusive use of Nanite and Lumen for geometry and lighting respectively.
There's a lot to like about UE5 though. It's very, very accessible and the workflow is painlessly streamlined. Couldn't ask for better on that front.
Lumen Technical Details in Unreal Engine | Unreal Engine 5.0 Documentation
docs.unrealengine.com
There aren't that many use cases where you could make games with interesting game design and be constrained to Lumen and Nanite. While it may be true that over 90% of the geometry in a given scene uses rigid bodies, that doesn't mean that it represents 90% of geometry that the player will notice or interact with, and honestly highlighting how nanite can virtualize what is essentially environment geometry comes across as a bit dismissive regarding the relevance of the use of soft bodies in many video game scenarios, not to mention organic environments in different climates/biomes that just wouldn't be work well if they were restricted to rigid body geometry (hence the new demos showing same barren landscapes they showed before).
No forward rendering support is also disappointing but expected. I know most devs use deferred these days but it's still nice to have options, especially if transparency/translucency is gonna be prominent in a project's scenes.
No two-sided materials is unfortunate as well considering how many artist tricks are reliant on such behavior.
I hope the screen tracing does a good enough job of compensating for the shortcomings of the proxy meshes because they don't look anywhere near the quality of the original meshes.
So yeah, while I'm excited for the potential of this engine, I do not foresee many games this generation making exclusive use of Nanite and Lumen for geometry and lighting respectively.
There's a lot to like about UE5 though. It's very, very accessible and the workflow is painlessly streamlined. Couldn't ask for better on that front.
Also read all of this and came to similar conclusions.
No forward rendering makes me scratch my head a bit. Like, it took some time for UE 4 to get at least some sort of good transparency solution with actual specularity. It would be a shame to have all that awesome stuff and not be able to create something as basic as good glass or having to fake specularity with cubemaps or something.
Honestly, I expect more from Lumen in the future than Nanite. It's been a long time coming for UE to get something that resembles a good realtime lighting solution. Lightmaps and Unreal have been nigh on inseparable for literal decades now and all the dynamic stuff has been, frankly, rather limited or some cases, dropped from support entirely (SVOGI, ambient light cubemaps, LPV...)
Out of Grass, leave and hair they think Nanite can work on other type of geometry but it is for future versions.
Nanite is great for architectural visualization where you are given polygon exports of big CAD files from various vendors/architects/engineers etc. Just drop it in there and UE5 does its magic nomatter how heavy the source file is.
Dunno why they released this video in this state, considering basically all the other videos are running incredibly smooth.
I'm not sure if it's fair to judge the performance of all games off of this single video.
Regardless of what that particular video's showing, this also comes down to the game engine's utilization by the devs. Not all Unity games run poorly. Not all UE4 games really well. I wish every PC game made in UE4 ran as well as Days Gone, but that's just simply not the case.
If the objects/physics are restricted to rigid bodies/dynamics that's possible. Not much more than that though.
Completely agree. Hopefully it gets much better with time. Given how the tech works though, they have their work cut out for them; it won't be easy and I certainly don't envy their rendering engineers.
This is what i expect and hope for honestly. good to see tech continue to push forward.
Out of Grass, leave and hair they think Nanite can work on other type of geometry but it is for future versions.
Those future improvements are not guarantees; they're still being researched. I hope they do eventually get there though.
Also, there are a lot more porous, fibrous, and granular objects than grass, leaves, and hair. Those are just examples.
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No idea what I'm doing but... it looks great!
Learn about blueprints or materials and have fun from there.
As a visual scripting person primarily using GameMaker, Unreal quickly became my new go-to mostly because of how non-code (or visual coding) friendly it was. Just take it one step at a time.
Here's a good resource to start with:
Epic Developer Community
The Epic Developer Community offers announcements, tutorials, showcase projects, forums and learning materials. Read about the latest developments.
learn.unrealengine.com
anyone that thought otherwise was being straight up delusional tbh
At best you'll see performance modes become more common this gen.
GOOD
Without 30fps console games we won't see any significant jump in graphics quality for an entire generation.
That's awesome! How is the performance? Same ~30 frames or better?So it took a while, but the demo, when packaged and built, weighs in at 24.8GB.
Can you upload the goodies somewhere? 👀
The demo is GPU bound reducing the quality it can run at 60 fps for example lower resolution.
Learn about blueprints or materials and have fun from there.
As a visual scripting person primarily using GameMaker, Unreal quickly became my new go-to mostly because of how non-code (or visual coding) friendly it was. Just take it one step at a time.
Here's a good resource to start with:
Epic Developer Community
The Epic Developer Community offers announcements, tutorials, showcase projects, forums and learning materials. Read about the latest developments.
I'll look into it!