"The old white man who keeps saying, and has on several occasions done, racist shit has a better set of policies on race than anyone else" is pretty fucking inaccurate, actually.
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US PoliERA 2018 |OT13| And now the fun starts
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Right, I was just under the impression that all McConnell would have to do is wait until the next session... Which is why I wondered why everyone made such a big deal about it.
Bernie is very popular among young minorities because he speaks to both class and race issues. He's made tone deaf comments, but its still better than most white politicians, including Hillary. Also correct me if im wrong but hes had high approval from the Naacp for the majority of his career. Also given how hes ahead of the curve on yemen and now palestine he'd actually be good for minorities internationally. Stop the bombs yo.
His messaging is what matters to me. Until he can change that aspect, he doesn't get my vote. I'll look elsewhere for somebody as president.
Interesting that you quote Reagan to bolster your point. Regardless of the semantics, trade unions and their issues are considered left-wing and what is maligned as "protectionism" is actually keeping wages livable.
What are his policies on race that are notably different and better than his other progressive challengers
Also that murphy shit is gross
Reagan/Bush are far to the left of today's GOP on Immigration/Trade.
Protectionism isn't about livable wages, it's about trying to avoid competition from external industries in other countries to maintain your competitive advantage artificially.
That's beside the point - look at who was pro and anti NAFTA in the 80s for a clue how this issue is traditionally perceived. You can call being trade-cautious "right-wing" all you like, or reframe it as a social issue - it has been a left wing issue in the past.
I was referring to how Reagan was using the term "protectionism" in that specific instance.
Well most
Alot of his policies have been adopted by others which is good, hes still ahead of the curve on issues like saudi arabia and the war in yemen.
I'm going with a they didnt either know any better or the issue with wages overwhelming the racial element.
Dems continue to lose, get chance to get rid voter supressing SoS in NH but vote him back in.
You sort of have to go back to get a lot of pro free trade quotes because everyone runs against it now. Obama ran against it for both his elections and then tried to push through the TPP in the lame duck.
But they didn't really put the facts out there (for a very long time at least) because Obama knew people are dumb when it comes to trade, but the process of sort of just going through it without getting into the details and actually making strong arguments of why it would have been a good deal made it seem sketchy, and even people who were on here (or the old place I guess) happy that Trump canceled it after he won... Hillary had to disown a deal she called the gold standards. We are getting in to really stupid territory here.
Luckily, a lot of the stuff (e.g., weed) requires 2/3 or 3/4 vote and will go nowhere.
But yes, what does pass should be challenged in court. Your state's court has overturned some nonsense.
? Are you saying minorities dont know better come on son, isnt that a criticism of Bernie supporters.
The part where you admitted to not understanding the issue certainly seems accurate.
You've certainly touched on why a lot of people on the left had a problem with both Obama and Hillary, regardless of your views on trade.
I think racial issues is legitimately something to debate that feels more like a Rorschach test to one's own feelings towards Bernie that I have no desire to litigate because I don't hate myself that much. But, immigration? To the right of my your average Dem? That's... not right and feels like projection of beliefs than actual substantial policy goals of Sanders.
Kind of feel like you're reaching here instead of pointing out economic issues you disagree with Bernie on.
The Democrats and Republicans were much more ideologically mixed prior to the '90s, when the slow Dixiecrat bleed that was occurring during Reagan accellerated into overdrive in '94. Reagan's amnesty is impossible under the modern GOP because of the nationalized southern strategy realigning the parties. This resulted in a number of things over the course of Nixon/Reagan/HW Bush that don't cleanly fit into a trraditional left/right-wing axis because they're hitting different parts of sociail/economic policy combinations.
Unions are fundamentally exclusionary, they act as a cartel restricting a labor pool, which is why they've had a history of opposing international competition, opposing immigration (more competition for them on the job market) and great deal of them to non-white American workers for a long time. Even though Unions are left wing, this aspect of them isn't left wing behavior.
When someone keeps saying racist shit, to believe they have issues with actually believing the shit that comes out of their mouth isn't "projection", it's acknowledging reality.
I totally get why people don't support it. Or disagree with me, which is totally fine. It's hard to expect voters to want something the politicians are afraid to talk about or endorse. John Kasich was the only person I think on either side in the last primary to actually make decent pro trade arguments.
But we really need to pick a side. I don't think it's right honestly to campaign against something then pass it in the lame duck. That's one reason people can't stand politicians and look to outsiders. We should either just chose a Sherrod Brown approach or embrace globalism. One foot in and one foot out doesn't do anyone any good.
Bernie Sanders on Immigration:
https://youtu.be/waZLCueCSnU
Bernie Sanders on disproportionate Black incarceration in Vermont:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/vermonts-black-leaders-we-were-invisible-to-bernie-sanders
Bernie Sanders on disproportionate drug related Black Incarceration in general:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...-needs-black-voters-to-win-but-can#.hboAVyRy9
Bernie Sanders on not dumping nuclear waste in poor minority communities:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-sierra-blanca-nuclear-waste/
So no. We're not going to agree.
Well, it's more like specific groups of people in specific states that are important to winning are against it, so that's why Democrat's talk tough on trade. In reality, the Democratic coalition as a group has never been more pro-free trade.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...agreements-more-critical-of-tariff-increases/
Gels nicely with that Voter Study graph and the two axes of politics.
In the same way that bronchitis is an improvement over TB.
Where's the guy who has a massive hardon for struggle beards, come get your Ted Cruz struggle beard. Just know he'll prolly kill you afterwards.
I dont look at resetera as being like uninformed voters. I very much get his messaging issues. However, I think many here can get past that issue to where they aren't trying to claim he is right of the Democratic party on those issues.
Reminder that he's been growing this since thanksgiving break, so good lord, give it up.
I don't really see Bernie being to the right overall of the party on immigration either.
The party "overall", isn't great on immigration despite the narrative from the right that every dem supports open boarders. Bernie is middle of the pack really as far as I can tell.
You know as much as I hate Cruz, I think this look suits him. It actually frames his face and gives it shape instead of looking like hes gonna turn into a puddle at any moment.
Yeah, he's def running, just didn't want it public yet.
THIS
Fucking stop it, people. Stop replying to Bernie stans. Put them on ignore.
At least I flew through catching up on the past few hours of this thread.
I guess it's an improvement from last time, at least....
RustyNails
Agreed.
I mean, every good beard has an awkward just getting started phase. He might actually look approximately human by the time it finishes coming in
Yeah, I mean, I'm not Bernie's Biggest Fan, but he seems fairly middle of the road on immigration.
Not sure why it's taboo for politicians to have facial hair. What would Lincoln have been without his beard?
Dude got 10 years younger in 6 months
Dude got 10 years younger in 6 months
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