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Blue Skies

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Mar 27, 2019
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So, I'm thinking here. Now, normally don't dip into this type of conspiracy talk, but follow me for a second. Bloomberg has the resources and polling operations to know exactly what his chances are and exactly what his base is. He knows that he doesn't want to let Warren win. Which is to say, he likely knew before running that he wouldn't take votes from Biden but would instead take votes from the white college pool. And his goal with his candidacy is to give Biden more of a boost by further dividing his opposition, or on an off-chance win. Probably add to all this that running for pres has likely been on his bucket list for some time.

/conspiracy_off
Do white college educated folk actually like him?
 

cameron

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Oct 26, 2017
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John Bolton @AmbJohnBolton

NATO is the most important and most successful alliance in human history. Unity against aggression is the best way to ensure international peace and security.​

4:35 PM - Dec 4, 2019












Breaking news: Barr's handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can't back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup
https://wapo.st/2PfmWLb

The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump's 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department's inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.
Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz's office contacted U.S. Attorney John Durham, the prosecutor Barr personally tapped to lead a separate review of the 2016 probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, the people said. The inspector general also contacted several U.S. intelligence agencies.
Among Horowitz's questions: whether a Maltese professor who interacted with a Trump campaign adviser was actually a U.S. intelligence asset deployed to ensnare the campaign, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the inspector general's findings have not been made public.
But the intelligence agencies said the professor was not among their assets, the people said. And Durham informed Horowitz's office that his investigation had not produced any evidence that might contradict the inspector general's findings on that point.


Quelle surprise.
 
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Breaking news: Barr's handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can't back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup
https://wapo.st/2PfmWLb


Boom.

I guess there are still some people who aren't willing to wear a suicide vest for Trump. Durham still wants to have credibility a year from now when Trump is out of office.

It'll be interesting to see if Barr will not only try to spin the IG report but Durham's as well. I have a feeling that Durham's investigation may be put in an icebox and the conclusions never released.
 

Arm Van Dam

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Doof

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Tulsi is the only candidate that I think makes you a straight up piece of shit if you support in any way, shape or form. I can understand the arguments for anyone else, even if I may disagree with them. Sorry, not sorry.
 

Chaos Legion

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Oct 30, 2017
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He's polling in 2nd nationally and he is ahead in NH, mixed in Iowa with a huge ground game. I think it's weird how Sanders being popular has to be explained.
He is essentially tied on average nationally for second with Warren and based on RCP, is behind Buttigieg in NH.

Bernie is popular, I'd be crazy to say that he wasn't. He unfortunately has a shot at the nomination. But Bernie has polled essentially the same since Biden entered the race officially. He's wanted by his core group of supporters. It remains to be seen if he's actually 'wanted' by the Democratic party as a whole.
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tulsi is the only candidate that I think makes you a straight up piece of shit if you support in any way, shape or form. I can understand the arguments for anyone else, even if I may disagree with them. Sorry, not sorry.
There's the excuse of ignorance of most political things. But if in the face of the facts they still show signs of support.....
 

devSin

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Doof

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There's the excuse of ignorance of most political things. But if in the face of the facts they still show signs of support.....

Yeah, that's more what I was getting at. I could forgive you for not knowing, but if you still support her after being told everything she's stood for (or against, more accurately), I've gotta question your priorities.
 

TheAbsolution

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Oct 25, 2017
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Abrams with GA's newest ~pro-life, pro-Trump~ senator.

The GOP's thought process seems to be "white women in the suburbs will vote for a white woman even if she says the same things that always cause Republicans to lose."
Did you listen to any of her introductory speech this morning? It basically sounded like a generic SuperPAC ad that you'd hear coming up to election night here lol
"Abortion on demand has to stop "
"Pro 2A"
"Socialist Democrat agenda"
"Build the wall "

Worst part is she didn't seem at all confident saying that stuff. She's going to have a difficult time threading that needle I think. 🤔
 

EvilChameleon

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Oct 25, 2017
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You know, it hit me today, all we have to do is win the presidency, the senate, eliminate the filibuster and eliminate the electoral college, and a Republican will never again win the presidency.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
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Former Bush Chief of Staff supports impeachment. He's critical of both the Dem handling and the upcoming Senate trial though. He was Bush's CoS for 5 years and previously served in the fathers admin too, but must be a never-Trumper.

"I think changes in democracy should come at the ballot box," Card said, "but I also think some of the questions warrant an investigation, and so the inquiry was appropriate."

"I don't think the trial in the Senate is likely to be anything but a circus and a partisan experience," said Card, "and I doubt that President Trump would be removed from office."


 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
18,220
You know, it hit me today, all we have to do is win the presidency, the senate, eliminate the filibuster and eliminate the electoral college, and a Republican will never again win the presidency.
You'd need to win 66 seats in the senate (Probably more since more than 1 dem would be against that), so.... you could at least get Puerto Rico and D.C. statehood.
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Worst part is she didn't seem at all confident saying that stuff. She's going to have a difficult time threading that needle I think. 🤔
The GOP assume "white woman = white women in suburbs will vote for her" and only think she needs to shore up her right flank.


YMCA is dead me thinks

LOL at Madam Speaker killing Trump's trade deal with great #civility.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think that would kill it? It sound like those things don't exist now and would just not be added. (and that Canada/Mexico wouldn't care about removal.)
 

Rampage

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Oct 27, 2017
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Butti continues to run 4th nationally while Biden is 4th in Iowa. How you see the polls as everyone wants Butti Biden tells me you need your eyes fixed or look at the actual polls. Bernie is a consistent #2 everywhere but he does lead in NH.

The moderates should be asking themselves how to include the progressives. It works both ways.

I don't need my eyes fixed. Bernie leading in the white bastion of NH- that is not enough to win a primary nation wide.

You point out Biden is in 4th in Iowa- news flash- neither Bernie or Warren are in first.

Insults are not the answer I'm looking for. I honestly want to know what is the path for progressives like Warren and Bernie to win the majority of Democrats, which includes southern black dominated states. You know, the place where Bernie lost primary last time.

Butti is taking the complacent white moderates. Biden seemingly has a lock on the majority of the black support. I trust black people actual have reasons to like Biden. Progressives need to find out what black people actual want instead of assuming their vote.

What can Bernie and Warren do swing people to their side, while keeping the core of their progressive ideals (healthcare, environment, outrageous cost of everything compared to stagnant wages, etc.

This is an honest question. I want progressive change. That ain't going to happen in progressives keep their heads in the sand and ignore their very obvious weakens.
 

JABEE

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Oct 25, 2017
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Iowa is also a caucus state. Bernie's supporters will be there with his mass pool of volunteers ready to work the caucus system.
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
I don't need my eyes fixed. Bernie leading in the white bastion of NH- that is not enough to win a primary nation wide.
See, Bernie's actually second in the average of polls in NH currently and he only has been first in NH in the average of polls for like... less than a week added together not including April. He's been in third and forth in NH in the past as well (like literally less than two weeks ago he was fourth in NH in the average of polls).

Overall, though, the state level polls have like a 4% MOE so it's hard to say who's where.
 

TheAbsolution

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Oct 25, 2017
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Atlanta, GA
The GOP assume "white woman = white women in suburbs will vote for her" and only think she needs to shore up her right flank.
Hmm, I would think that the opposite would be a better strategy for her, considering the rural voters and other GOP hardcore partisans would show up anyways for Trump and it's the suburban ~~~moderate Darling~~~ white women that you would have to convince. We'll have to see which way she tracks as she actually starts up her campaign in earnest in the new year.
Loeffler going full mouth breather MAGA nativist to win. yuck.
If this is indeed the way she continues to go, I'd prefer it honestly. Better for us that she grows closer to Trump's approval in the state than Kemp's.
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hmm, I would think that the opposite would be a better strategy for her, considering the rural voters and other GOP hardcore partisans would show up anyways for Trump and it's the suburban ~~~moderate Darling~~~ white women that you would have to convince. We'll have to see which way she tracks as she actually starts up her campaign in earnest in the new year.
She's worrying about missing the second slot in that jungle primary.
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
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So Republicans got all of their bras and bloomers in a twist because of the witnesses today did word play with Barron's name?
 

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Wow another that has Bernie tied for #1, and this time around with Warren next to him.

Emerson? We don't know her.

 

JesseEwiak

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Oct 31, 2017
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Iowa is also a caucus state. Bernie's supporters will be there with his mass pool of volunteers ready to work the caucus system.

Reason #435 why the primaries weren't really rigged - all those wins by Bernie in undemocratic cacuses, that didn't match the actual voters. See, Washington, where Bernie won the caucus, then got curbstomped by Hillary a few weeks later in an actual primary where you didn't have to spend hours arguing with people.


Don't worry, most of Bernie's support base will be erased when Bernie loses every state that has more than 7 black people in it.
 

nature boy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think that would kill it? It sound like those things don't exist now and would just not be added. (and that Canada/Mexico wouldn't care about removal.)
There's issues with labour and environmental standards/inspections in Mexico that make it intangible for Democrats so if the deal accommodates what the US wants it risks not being ratified by Mexico

Think Pelosi has enough to cherry pick in order to prevent it from being ratified.

Would be a bit insane to ratify the deal in an election year
 

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Reason #435 why the primaries weren't really rigged - all those wins by Bernie in undemocratic cacuses, that didn't match the actual voters. See, Washington, where Bernie won the caucus, then got curbstomped by Hillary a few weeks later in an actual primary where you didn't have to spend hours arguing with people.

im glad MN got rid of it's stupid ass caucus.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
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That "who did you vote for?", wth, might as well say instead:

"We want loyalty, not facts. Can we count on you?"
 

Dahbomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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I guess it's ok to ask people who they voted for if you don't like what they say.

I will ask anyone who hates on Obama to tell them who they voted for and when they say someone else I accuse them of being never Obama scums that are irrelevant and have no business criticizing him.
 
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