I think having Fox News entirely behind you can be a double edged sword. It'll show obvious biased against Trump creating skeptism of DeStantis among many Republicans and Trump can weaponize it as an attack by the establishment.
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I think having Fox News entirely behind you can be a double edged sword. It'll show obvious biased against Trump creating skeptism of DeStantis among many Republicans and Trump can weaponize it as an attack by the establishment.
I think some people are missing the point of the conversion - it's not that Bush was a great guy and defending his brand of GOP, it's a discussion on why the GOP is seen as extremist now when they were not then. Maybe Bush visiting a mosque was enough a veneer of respectability such that the extremism didn't penetrate "normie" voters the way it seems to be now?
Don't always agree with your takes in here, but this is 100% spot on.
To people hit with Federal Government's policies - mostly poor, communities of color, Muslims, LGBTQ, etc - Republicans were always extreme. The Federal Government was always extreme. That is my point. The veneer of respectability never existed for us, and we saw through the shit.
White America never had to grapple with the consequences of their government's actions. We have been brutalized, raped, tortured and executed over the past 400 years to no avail. No reparations or acknowledgement. Instead of White America realizing they fucked up and ignored our voices, they shift the topic to how "GOP became more extreme!" because the blowback is now impacting their nice suburban schools or because kids nowadays can organize on TikTok and Twitter.
Agreed. Nobody's arguing GOP politicians then were any better morally compared to today. It's that they were better at hiding their lunacy and extreme positions and appealing to the average voter. Todays MAGA politicians are not palatable to the public and last year's election proved that.
The GOP's "outreach" has always been about placating allies, friends and parents of the poor, communities of color, Muslims, LGBTQ etc. It was never about *us*, just performatively pretending not to hate us so that people outside of those groups could vote GOP without thinking they were betraying their friends and loved ones (even if their friends and loved ones were telling them who the GOP really were).
Trump for LGBTQ was about winning votes from suburban moms who have a gay kid, not about winning votes from the queer community.
DeSantis is mask off passing anti-queer, racist, anti-democratic shit that the GOP have always *wanted* but feared they'd lose too many votes if they did.
There's a clear line between the dog whistle and the open bigotry that prevents a lot of *straight white christian voters* from keeping their heads in the sand.
Republicans have been garbage for a long, long time, it's just that back then they were less in the open about their terribleness.
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They were only "Better about hiding it" because they used Ivy League language to dress it up and White Suburban people generally chose to either not give a fuck or supported their racist/fascist policies because they only cared about their localized existence and what impacted that while having an overwhelming fear of the other that the Republicans and Neoliberals have repeatedly used to manufacture consent for a variety of right wing policies.
Like Reagan didn't hide how much he fucking hated gay people and wanted them to cease existing. He didn't hide his AIDS policies. He didn't hide being a racist piece of shit. He didn't hide dismantling every single union or labor law he got his hands on. It's just a massive subset of predominately White Americans didn't give a fuck about any of that and didn't see the objectively extreme right wing policy as such back then. It was more palatable because an extreme right wing position was the standard for many White Americans.
I like how I pretty much said in my post that they've always been garbage, knowing that people would respond with "you're wrong! They've always been garbage!" without actually reading what I said...
...and even then, some of you still respond with "You're wrong! they've always been garbage!" anyway. Because some of you engage in debates with such a large amount of tunnel vision, reading comprehension be damned, that you're complaining about a post that completely agrees with you!
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as passive-aggressive, but...
Sigh.
...and even then, some of you still respond with "You're wrong! they've always been garbage!" anyway. Because some of you engage in debates with such a large amount of tunnel vision, reading comprehension be damned, that you're complaining about a post that completely agrees with you!
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as passive-aggressive, but...
Sigh.
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I like how I pretty much said in my post that they've always been garbage, knowing that people would respond with "you're wrong! They've always been garbage!" without actually reading what I said...
...and even then, some of you still respond with "You're wrong! they've always been garbage!" anyway. Because some of you engage in debates with such a large amount of tunnel vision, reading comprehension be damned, that you're complaining about a post that completely agrees with you!
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as passive-aggressive, but...
Sigh.
Don't you dare try nuance here. We don't like it!
Sadly, even if I didn't and I literally spelled it out, I get the feeling the results would be the same.
There's a reason I rarely debate now, and I reached that decision in large part due to prior experiences. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yup, like it's not like we're in some debating society. We're all basically to the left of 90% of Americans - do I really need to add 1,000 words about how Bush II was terrible before pointing out that, the current GOP would be even worse in the aftermath of 9/11?
Let me say this now - anytime I mention the GOP, come back to this disclaimer - it's been a terrible, fallen, and evil party since at least 1964, if not before. There, now we can actually discuss the actual differences because there are, and those differences are why Joe Biden is POTUS right now, because enough McCain/Romney voters did actually vote for Biden. Now, I'm aware after the revolution, we won't need those votes anymore, but until it actually happens, the median voter is actually important to appeal to, no matter how yucky it may feel.
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We're talking about the white folk switching from them now.
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View: https://twitter.com/kirk_bado/status/1636756144503832579?
Law enforcement agencies are prepping for a possible Trump indictment as early as next week
Multiple agencies are discussing potential security plans for in and around the Manhattan Criminal Court in case Trump is charged in connection with an alleged hush money payment to Stormy Daniels.
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View: https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1636804933532909599?s=20
Trump did not report over 100 gifts worth over $300K while Pres, and two are missing: golf clubs from Shinzo Abe, and a life sized portrait of Trump. Wherever might they be? One of the great mysteries of the world...
View: https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1636768022068367360
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I was not complaining about your post per se. That was the only one before the one from JesseEwiak which did not have a quote, that I wanted to respond. I do take issue with "since Nixon" - they have been trash since reconstruction. I know you are not arguing that "Republicans used to be semi-normal" point that keeps being brought up by Democratic party.I like how I pretty much said in my post that they've always been garbage, knowing that people would respond with "you're wrong! They've always been garbage!" without actually reading what I said...
...and even then, some of you still respond with "You're wrong! they've always been garbage!" anyway. Because some of you engage in debates with such a large amount of tunnel vision, reading comprehension be damned, that you're complaining about a post that completely agrees with you!
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as passive-aggressive, but...
Sigh.
I find neocons repugnant. Current GOP is wary of international conflicts. Outside of Afghanistan, I don't see them launching any Oil Wars in Iraq. But it's a hypothetical, and I wouldn't be too sure either way.
At least Trump outright says he hates brown people and wants to ban them instead of hiding behind vague "wAr oN TeRroR" rhetoric. Torture Memos + Gitmo is some of the most extreme, right wing fash stuff that would make Trump/DeSantis very happy. Don't forget, DeSantis was a military intelligence officer who oversaw extreme torture of detainees at Gitmo. He was very much a Bush Administration alumni. There is no good 'ol republican.
If you told me this was a photoshop job I would believe it. The Right really don't give a damn I guess, they know their voters will see children and check a mark internally to vote for them.
During the Civil War era, when the GOP was still relatively new to the scene, they were originally the liberal party, and the Democrats were the right-leaning, conservative party. It wasn't until the 1960s, with the rise of LBJ and the Civil Rights movement, that the garbage people became disillusioned with the Democrat Party and went to the GOP. So, in the 60s, the ideology of the 2 parties switched.
The GOP loves using that part of history to claim "Dems are the real racists! Not us!" but they conveniently leave out the part where the garbage simply changed sides and try to re-write history.
So, that's why I said "the GOP have been trash since Nixon". You're right in that the shitty racist trash politicians have been a thing since reconstruction. However, the trash wasn't always associated with the GOP specifically. Still, that's not to say that the GOP of the 1800s and first half of the 1900s was perfect. They were a moderate liberal party at the time, after all. So even in that era of the GOP, there were still...issues that lefties like us would not be thrilled to see. So, I guess, in that sense, you're right.
It's a technicality more than anything that I'm acknowledging, I suppose. *shrug*
I like how I pretty much said in my post that they've always been garbage, knowing that people would respond with "you're wrong! They've always been garbage!" without actually reading what I said...
...and even then, some of you still respond with "You're wrong! they've always been garbage!" anyway. Because some of you engage in debates with such a large amount of tunnel vision, reading comprehension be damned, that you're complaining about a post that completely agrees with you!
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as passive-aggressive, but...
Sigh.
A lot of people don't really read posts, at least any more than they read tweets or headlines
Aren't portraits supposed to be flattering? They should bring in Ben Garrison next time.
Anybody think NY is bringing a little something more than what's already known about the Stormy Daniels hush money payments? It seems strange Bragg would just accelerate this case at warp speed if the facts are completely unchanged from over a year ago. Unless it was simply a matter of finding a more reliable witness beyond Michael Cohen.
Probably some extra obstruction and/or bribery stuff that happened during the investigation.
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I'm finally at the point where I think it has a chance of happening.
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View: https://twitter.com/Rschooley/status/1636883924701040641
The former President wanting violence if he's indicted is serious, but we can also look on the other hand and see there's a lot more of US than them. I fully expect the sad one or two people to show up.
View: https://twitter.com/Rschooley/status/1636883924701040641
The former President wanting violence if he's indicted is serious, but we can also look on the other hand and see there's a lot more of US than them. I fully expect the sad one or two people to show up.
Yeah how many more people are willing to fall on the sword and take a felony on their record for this man?
We are already seeing diminishing returns lmao
My hot take: if the only indictment happens is the Stormy one (I really doubt) then I agree with you. But if he gets indicted for J6, the docs, etc then that hurts his changes a ton.
Jan 6 was horrible and we must be sober and stare the right wing violence down. But also, it was a bunch of bussed in people from around the country who are "rich" and then it took a sabotaged capital police and national guard to storm the capital. I would like to see the dozen asshole pieces of shit try and start something in downtown NYC - they'd probably complain about the bike riders being too mean to them.
So? This will get his base out, but lose even more moderates.
Right, I know DeSantis is dipping but I still believe Biden would have a WAY tougher race against him (and there is a chance he may lose) than with Trump.
Sounds great, DeSantis is kept out of the White House and Trump is guaranteed to lose in the general.
Exactly. Such a weird take. Bunker boy, who lost the popular vote by a considerable amount both times, might get arrested. This doesn't help him with the electorate. Republican voters aren't the majority.
I already predicted that Biden would crush Trump again and by even more if he was the nominee in '24. But a Trump with multiple criminal indictments and in raging mad mode who is using fascist language like "take back our country" all the time will be even easier for Joe. He'll be more toxic than ever to the very same voters who he turned off in 2020.
Seeing the GOP machine forced to go to bat for a literal criminal after trying hard in some cases to pivot to DeSantis will be hilarious.
Seeing the GOP machine forced to go to bat for a literal criminal after trying hard in some cases to pivot to DeSantis will be hilarious.
I'm of the same mindset. Multiple indictments over serious things are going to eventually push these people to DeSantis. The hush money thing or obstruction won't.
I really do hope he gets charged with more than just the Stormy Daniels mess, assuming it happens, but I guess we'll see. Not going to lie though, seeing headlines that this may actually be happening this time is...very convincing. If this does happen...next week is going to be quite a sight to see.
View: https://twitter.com/SpeakerMcCarthy/status/1637108358208421888
Oh hey, more pointless investigations! That'll convince those voters who hate that you're doing pointless investigations to come back to the GOP, surely!
View: https://twitter.com/SpeakerMcCarthy/status/1637108358208421888
Oh hey, more pointless investigations! That'll convince those voters who hate that you're doing pointless investigations to come back to the GOP, surely!
It would probably be better if people did watch them though. Direct exposure to what a farce these hearings are.
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