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Valve releases details about Artifact (MtG creator, PC & mobile, not F2P)
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Oh, can you ask about things like campaigns that Hearthstone does every few months?
There's an actual reason power is tied to rarity in games like Magic - it's not just a cash grab (mostly) it's about controlling the draft format. Guess this game won't have that?
I'd also agree with the general sentiment that an entry fee probably renders this DoA. It'd be one thing if it was a deckbuilding game, but as a TCG? Nah, son.
I'd also agree with the general sentiment that an entry fee probably renders this DoA. It'd be one thing if it was a deckbuilding game, but as a TCG? Nah, son.
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That's what I'm thinking. It'll be like an actual card game, so you need to buy something at the start to play.
How is the card collecting going to work? How will they control supply if they allow cards to be sold on the market place, that is, what's to stop people from selling rare cards for high amounts(Rare as in, cards that don't drop alot, because there WILL have to be those kinds of cards).
Since this isn't F2P does that mean it will fall under the "you get all future games for free" thing that happened a few years ago? https://www.pcgamesn.com/valve-are-...nt-and-future-to-steam-hardware-owners-on-mac
That's the thing I'm most worried. I mean, it does makes the "experience" as close to an actual TCG as possible, as you do have to buy a starter deck. But with this competition I don't really think that's a good idea.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Artifact/comments/833kyq/gameplay/
There's a video. Look at it running so freaking cute.
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Just a FYI, Richard Garfield didn't have a stellar track record developing card games after MTG. Most died very quick deaths.
Ok fuck it I'm out. «Want to stay away from p2w» never works, the best cards will be the most expensive ones in a week.
Oh god, that "bargain hunting" line.
$900 ultra rare foil Pudge on the Steam Marketplace. This is everything Valve's ever been building towards.
$900 ultra rare foil Pudge on the Steam Marketplace. This is everything Valve's ever been building towards.
wait so you have to buy the game AND the cards? huh
Also when they first announced it what day9 described was nothing like this, this is more like MtG/Hearthstone game than they first led us to believe.
they're trying to mimic paper game but the main reason digital card games are popular is because they're not cost prohibitive like the paper games. I can't see how this won't be P2W and not end up much more expensive than a game like Hearthstone to get into.
Letting steam marketplace to dictate card prices is sketchy at best and then they say they have no rotations/blocks forever, you sure about that? That is guaranteed to be retracted later.
Also when they first announced it what day9 described was nothing like this, this is more like MtG/Hearthstone game than they first led us to believe.
they're trying to mimic paper game but the main reason digital card games are popular is because they're not cost prohibitive like the paper games. I can't see how this won't be P2W and not end up much more expensive than a game like Hearthstone to get into.
Letting steam marketplace to dictate card prices is sketchy at best and then they say they have no rotations/blocks forever, you sure about that? That is guaranteed to be retracted later.
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Seems interesting I suppose. A bit surprised it's not F2P. TBH, I only have a somewhat passing interest with card games like Hearthstone, etc, and only play them when I get bored. It does make it less likely I play this, unless I didn't need to worry about grinding for cards or shit like that.
Using their marketplace to trade cards makes sense for Valve, but it's a big red flag for me to make their game depend on it so heavily from what I can tell. I'd assume they'll have something like buying random booster packs with real money, but if you'd want a specific card you go to their marketplace and direct trade with other users with cash? Bleh.
Using their marketplace to trade cards makes sense for Valve, but it's a big red flag for me to make their game depend on it so heavily from what I can tell. I'd assume they'll have something like buying random booster packs with real money, but if you'd want a specific card you go to their marketplace and direct trade with other users with cash? Bleh.
Since they're saying there is no rotation and cards are legal forever I assume they will do buffs and nerfs on cards regularly like it's dota2.
They say they want to keep players' investments in the cards so what happens when your cards is nerfed? The price plummets on the marketplace and viceversa when buffed. They're not launching a card game, they're launching an stock market. I'm sure it will work great for Valve but I'd be wary of getting into this lol.
They say they want to keep players' investments in the cards so what happens when your cards is nerfed? The price plummets on the marketplace and viceversa when buffed. They're not launching a card game, they're launching an stock market. I'm sure it will work great for Valve but I'd be wary of getting into this lol.
That looks very uninteresting tbh, but at least they don't seem to be going the p2w route. But the whole trading and bargain hunting makes me think there'll be super rare cards you can find like one in a million packs and then trade off for thousands of dollars. And, of course, those cards will happen to be OP as shit. Not sure I'm into that. Gotta admit the lane thing seems interesting though.
it's not predatory or immoral. just because you don't like thing doesn't make it so.
and loot boxes are booster packs redux, not the other way around. the practice has been around for years and is alluring to a lot of people, which is why mtg has them since inception and always will. only difference is the physical nature and in regards to cosmetics, utility.
card games do this, too. including the one made by the guy making this.
I wonder if this will get Steam Community Marketplace integration to help determine card value. It'll have to have some sort of upper-level control so that it doesn't turn into a P2W obviously, but it'd be an interesting way to gauge card popularity, card usage, and rarity.
Heart of Crown and Scrolls show how hard this is to do well despite the first one in particular being really good.
Can't see what you are actually buying, you are hoping for something better than what you'll likely get and you can pay more to gamble again? If so, that is inarguably predatory. Immoral is a more personal take, but I could agree with that too.
If Artifact works like this (we don't know yet), then I'm not interested. F2P hooks belong in "free" games, and nowhere else.
The business model for this is making me extremely worried. There's no way I'm playing a game where I'd have to spend like 200$ on a single competitive deck. And since this sounds like Valve wants to emulate real physical card games, that might actually be the case.
Particularly when there's so many free to play games this will be competing with, including the upcoming MTG: Arena.
As for Garfield being involved, I wonder how much of a hand he had in actually making this. His name just seems to pop up on so many underwhelming card games recently. Like Solforge or Spectromancer.
Particularly when there's so many free to play games this will be competing with, including the upcoming MTG: Arena.
As for Garfield being involved, I wonder how much of a hand he had in actually making this. His name just seems to pop up on so many underwhelming card games recently. Like Solforge or Spectromancer.
Dota fans just didn't want this and you can still feel the disappointment in that video.
Also i'm reading entry fee and mictrotransactions? And good luck with that.
In theory, the paid games must give you way more cards than F2P ones. Knowing Valve, the game is going to get 1 expansion per year. Dota 2 gets like 2 heroes every year...
Paid Package + Low amount of new content = Low upkeep
However, the market scavenging and player-driven economy sounds like the usual trading card game. I would imagine that being within a single card market, there will be so much fuckery and price-manipulation where it will be card-sharks and profiteers squeezing money from the players who just want to build competitive decks. There will be bots whose entire purpose is to snipe X cards below Y price, hoard them, and basically build the schemes on repeat.
Either Valve is going to flood the market with cards (like Dota 2 items), or they are going to create a mythics/hats/knives scarcity scenario of competitive/rare cards in Artifact.
how when you're consciously buying into this with the hopes of getting something better? you're not being tricked into "gambling."
it's not exploiting you if it tells you exactly what the game is and you're aware of what you're buying into. games usually do a solid job of introducing the concept of the packs and the randomness within.
some people like the randomness of lootboxes. shouldn't be surprising considering the games with random loot, like destiny, diablo, the division, path of exile, etc. video games at their core are exploitive in some sense. crafting games a lot of times are exploitive. i'm guessing a lot of the hate comes from a lack of self-control. i'm looking at a person spending thousands of dollars on skins/packs the same i'm looking at a person that dies from playing WoW or something.
I interpret the "not F2P" as the game being set up more like a traditional card game where a person buys in with a starter deck or something along those lines. If there's any company that has the tech foundation to create a virtual card game that emulates a real card game's economy it's Valve. Interested to see how it plays out.
You said it yourself, they make money by exploiting your weaknesses, how is this not predatory? Some people are weaker than others, does this mean it's OK to fuck them over?
because it's hard for me to think of something on sale that doesn't attempt to exploit a person's weakness(es) - it's capitalism.
when it comes to something as trivial as digital items, I would categorize that as a super first world problem.
this is a card game. how many trading card games don't have booster packs?
loot boxes replaced actual predatory microtransactions that actually exploited you by actively limiting your base gameplay unless you paid, sometimes rendering your purchase useless. this isn't that.
Please stop this derailing of the thread, it is about Artifact discussions and not the morality of lootboxes again. There are so many threads for that...
Please stop this derailing of the thread, it is about Artifact discussions and not the morality of lootboxes again. There are so many threads for that...
shift the discussion the way you want it to go instead of quoting us.
GOAT gif from GOAT sketch though. i'mma steal this.