I wish we would get a new next gen Soul Reaver game, the SSD's would make for some amazing world switching.
VG24/7:Epic rewrite I/O subsystem with PS5 SSD in mind
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Kratos just punches the air and rips a hole in space and time to his next destination.
Guess who is back downplaying the ssd once again. It's Sony PR and spin now again is it. You should talk to Matt about it perhaps and how much of a spin it is.
This is going by theoretical SSD speeds, while PS5 does a lot of extra stuff to actually reach that speed, XSX doesn't do as much, ie, PS5's practical speed will be closer to its theoretical one than SXS is.
Also, even if this is the end result, double the speed isn't much with loading screens, but in, say, a game where the maximum speed in which you can traverse the world is balanced around how fast can the data be streamed(like most open world games right now), what would be the solution? Moving at 50% slower speed in the XSX version? Lowering the data(models/textures) to keep up when moving at top speed? Unless they balance around XSX, differences will be noticeable.
I didn't think about that either. Very smart move on Sony's part.
Its been the absolute focus since first Wired article. What are you talking about?
EDIT: banned again. Ah well, never mind.
Yes a masterfully executed spin...
To be fair, Matt also said:
That doesn't make the talk about the SSD "spin" but I feel that quote shouldn't be left out.
I think that's the common consensus though. Most are not expecting huge differences in third party titles but that doesn't make Sony's I/O solution a masterful "spin".
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These will get you started, but pretty sure there is enough to be found also going more into the comparisons between the two.
Could be something like Kratos raises the Bifröst and Atreus shoot it with a magic arrow infused with the travel rune and it glows and ta-da they're on another realm. With that they could add travelling as a mechanic to reach some chests and areas.
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These will get you started, but pretty sure there is enough to be found also going more into the comparisons between the two.
I knew they had an objective and it took awhile for them to get banned. They are relentless.
Maybe a scene where
Thor begins to lose the fight against Kratos, then he takes Atreus and kidnaps him to Asgard. Ideally you'd think "now Kratos need the travel rune to Asgard", but no, Kratos enters Spartan Rage and rip the fabric of reality and makes a portal to Asgard. Thor looks in disbelief and Ragnarök begins.
Yeah, like others have said, like you said that doesnt make what Sony did with the SSD, and ppl taking about it spin.
If we take that quote by Matt at absolute face value.....it means both machines will be closer than any console before...like him and others with info have been saying.
But some ppl want to see things differently. That quote and similar by him should stop any console warring.
I must admit, the tech in the PS5 looks fantastic but I really want to see the UE5 demo running on Series X, just to actually see what we are dealing with. Personally if feels many people are focusing around the PS5 SSD speed and ignoring all of the other potentially massive changes that the Series X has as well. This is not to discount the obviously great tech Sony is working on but people do seem a little quick to discount MS on this side. Maybe its just some fanboys doing what they do but I do think most people are underestimating now only what MS can do but also what Sony can do.
Hopefully we will get a better viewpoint in the coming weeks, since all we have really seen is trailers and tech demos. Seeing actually gameplay is always the solid first step.
Hopefully we will get a better viewpoint in the coming weeks, since all we have really seen is trailers and tech demos. Seeing actually gameplay is always the solid first step.
I don't think this is going to happen. You may see it on PC when UE5 releases, though. Epic said the demo scales hard with GPU and NXGamer noticed some pop-in on the demo, even with the mighty PS5 SSD. What does this tell? Nothing, the engine is not even ready. I believe the best comparison would be seeing first party UE5 games on the future, maybe Days Gone 2 vs anything from MS.
but what does it mean for 3rd party titles, which is where the majority of sales are.
Your guess is as good as mine. What we do know is that Sony has like 7/8? 10 million+ sellers this gen which is a huge deal. First party titles aren't some niche market that only hardcore gamers are interested in.
Microsoft's State of Decay demo showed a 5x faster load while Sony's Spider Man demo showed a 10x faster load. That's pretty much what you'd expect looking at the raw numbers.
I actually really like Microsoft's demo because it shows someone loading in and playing while the One X version is loading. It still doesn't feel next gen fast but it's more of a back compat showcase.
I am sure Epic has had it running on Series X, just to make sure the engine works on teh system. Maybe they just cannot show it or MS does not want it shown yet but its only a matter of time before the UE5 Tech stuff appears on Series X. Personally, if it showed a better res but maybe lesser details due to the reliance on SSD, I would be perfectly fine. Its not like one consoles is going to massively suck and the other will dominate. The specs are so similar, I just cannot see either having a massive boost over the other.
15%-20% increase in graphics isn't exactly interesting. It'll be similar to what we currently have with the Pro and X1X. When it comes to graphics, the PS5 and XSX are extremely close. But Sony's I/O and SSD solutions are things that have never been doe before, so it's a bit more fun to speculate.
I guess so. I think most of us are in speculation mode because we don't really have access to it yet. I do feel many are discounting what MS is bringing to the party but we really won't know until we all get to play some new games! Damn this wait is so long lol.
Yeah, the engine runs on the XSX, that's Epic whole point of scalability. We will see the same demo on the XSX? I doubt since it's too attached to the PS5 marketing somehow, but if we see it, will it matter? I think the end result is the biggest thing to compare because the engine is just not ready.
Tbh not enough difference in power for resolution differences that matter but maybe a more stable frame rate on xsx
I get that but the majority of games and console sellers are you know....Rockstar games, FIFA and COD
I'm sure Sony's focus was always on being fast first and power after that.
Is this a serious question? Because if it is I'll tell you that the load time demo MS showed was a back-compat demo with no modification to code, meaning it was not taking full advantage of the SSD.
I think people get too focused on the raw speed difference and don't think enough about the IO difference.
From my understanding the IO on the PS5 is seamless, developers just ask for data and the system loads it and decompresses it straight to RAM.
They don't have to think how to use it, it just works.
Of course they need to work out situations and data sets that can make use of such high IO but I'm sure they will.
From my understanding the IO on the PS5 is seamless, developers just ask for data and the system loads it and decompresses it straight to RAM.
They don't have to think how to use it, it just works.
Of course they need to work out situations and data sets that can make use of such high IO but I'm sure they will.
Spider-Man is pretty much perfect for showing off faster streaming speed, I believe on the PS4 they cap tile loading at 20MB/s, removing that cap on a SSD is going to show huge improvements, maybe Microsoft's game isn't steamed in the same way that Spider-Man and most open world games are.
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I think you could create dozens of clickbait articles solely based on the FUD and misinformation that has been spread in this thread
OK this is big.
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Developers making Xbox Series X games will learn to address PS5's SSD advantage, says ex-Xbox lead
Developers working on multiplatform games will find a way to get around Xbox Series X's relatively slower SSD compared to PS5's.
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For a technical presentation? Not so much, what matters to them, they have already passed, which are the 12 Teraflops and the specs in general.
State of decay demo don't use DirectStorage & Hardware decompression so we can except even faster load time I think.
Yeah I just wait for their Storage/Terrain mapping efficiency solution and RT Hardware solution.
is it though?OK this is big.
Developers making Xbox Series X games will learn to address PS5's SSD advantage, says ex-Xbox lead
Developers working on multiplatform games will find a way to get around Xbox Series X's relatively slower SSD compared to PS5's.
I agree. So many people have been conflating SSD speed without factoring in PS5 removing bottlenecks for IO and than there's the crazy overvaluing of Teraflops. Lots of bad information all around.
Sony didn't do anything.
They publicized a GDC talk they were going to do anyway and then after some backlash from that the dust settled and devs from all corners started to slowly explain what we were looking at.
Eventually due to the silence and stagnation we are in terms of game announcements (and for good reason) stuff like correction and people eventually understanding what Sony was trying to say had more time in the limelight.
So much time that even those that made mistakes in assuming what the PS5 could is trying to do were corrected and eventually even apologized.
Sony since that "Road to PS5" hasn't said or done anything, people just instead figured it all out and realized how interesting the PS5's I/O really is.
If the PS5 reveal shows even more amazing stuff then the UE5 demo then it will likely anchor even more into people's subconscious.
With so many praise being said about it from all directions then like the saying says if there is smoke there is a fire but a fire in the good sense in terms of positive feedback from the devs they were trying to please with their design.