This is what I don't get. Unless they received the money much later, why aren't you paying your people ?Imagine receiving money for exclusivity from both EGS and Sony and still treating like shit your employees.
This is what I don't get. Unless they received the money much later, why aren't you paying your people ?Imagine receiving money for exclusivity from both EGS and Sony and still treating like shit your employees.
The same reason why profits and productivity went up for 50 years in the US, yet the average wage remained stagnant compared with inflation, and mininmum wage actually decreased. Not to mention executive pay increased astronomically...GreedThis is what I don't get. Unless they received the money much later, why aren't you paying your people ?
Not one of the most - the most. Well more than three times as much as all kinds of robberies combined, and that's only counting the wage theft that was successfully recovered (vs. all robberies, recovered or not).
We've got a mod driving the hype train while 100% ignoring the issue. Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up a GOTY contender on here.We probably shouldn't promote the game on ERATBH. Companies need to realise there are consequences to behaving like dicks.
We probably shouldn't promote the game on ERATBH. Companies need to realise there are consequences to behaving like dicks.
Shouldn't this part of the OT as a PSA, seems rather misleading to not inform potential customers of what they're supporting.
Well, Activision Blizzard threads usually have the lawsuit message, and a lot of the posts are just "Fuck Activision ".Lol nothing was done regarding Insomiac games, Acti-Blizz or Ubisoft ones and you expect that something will be done for this?
Only game that got some kind of response here on Era was CP2077. And I still stand by my opinion that Era should decide if they will treat all developers/games the same or not bother at all. These random decisions serve no purpose.
It definitely should beShouldn't this part of the OT as a PSA, seems rather misleading to not inform potential customers of what they're supporting.
I already asked if this could be added to the OT as an update, hopefully they do eventually update the OT with this crucial information (but somehow I have the feeling it won't to a small degree)
It's a contractor dispute from like 5 years ago. There's not much there.Somehow missed this. Any reason its not mentioned like at all in the current threads?
I mean, if you read the threadmarked post it seems to be a bit of a pattern for the studio.It's a contractor dispute from like 5 years ago. There's not much there.
The threadmarked posts are from the same person at the center of the original story. None of which was corroborated by reputable journalists or outlets, nor have there been any subsequent reports of bad behavior. Said person never posted on this forum before or after this thread.I mean, if you read the threadmarked post it seems to be a bit of a pattern for the studio.
Shouldn't this part of the OT as a PSA, seems rather misleading to not inform potential customers of what they're supporting.
if we're aware of such information being shared publically yes, don't see any issues with that. Do you ?Would you really want to do this for every game and product talked about on this website?
Would you really want to do this for every game and product talked about on this website?
Why not? More information about the company you're potentially financially supporting can only be a good thing, no?Would you really want to do this for every game and product talked about on this website?
Since no one ever threadmarked these, I've gathered them all in one spot for people just reading this now.
Would you really want to do this for every game and product talked about on this website?
I think it would be awesome to have a rundown of what shitty practices a publisher/developer has engaged in at the top of every game's OT (and hype threads).Would you really want to do this for every game and product talked about on this website?
I mean, it's a small team so you're not going to have people coming out of the woodwork with problems. Brandon reported the poor treatment extended to other contractors. Sure he is just one person, but he did evidently provide emails to VGC corroborating his accusations. Is there any reason to think VGC is lying about what they were shown? Workplace abuse is incredibly common.The threadmarked posts are from the same person at the center of the original story. None of which was corroborated by reputable journalists or outlets, nor have there been any subsequent reports of bad behavior. Said person never posted on this forum before or after this thread.
As I've learned in plenty of previous threads, I'm gonna sit back and wait for the full story before rushing to judgment.
You replied to a post from a year ago.
if we're aware of such information being shared publically yes, don't see any issues with that. Do you ?
You replied to a post from a year ago.
How long are we going to sit back and wait, exactly?
Retail theft is in the tens of billions a year, I wonder why that isn't compared? I used to work loss prevention, just curious.
Cyperbunk would also have not had any action done if not for all those trans posters and vocal advocates(many of whom ended up being lost in the process) trying to fight to make era admin do the right thing. It wasnt an Era decision so much as the people trying to fight and let their voices be heard and to get the administration to make the choice not to promote the game.Lol nothing was done regarding Insomiac games, Acti-Blizz or Ubisoft ones and you expect that something will be done for this?
Only game that got some kind of response here on Era was CP2077. And I still stand by my opinion that Era should decide if they will treat all developers/games the same or not bother at all. These random decisions serve no purpose.
Brandon's been listed as prototype development, so at least he's credited.cross-posting from the OT:
Can someone check the credits to see if Brandon Popovich (mavWolf) was credited or not? I tried searching on youtube and came up with this list, but didn't get further down. It seems Brandon wasn't credited as a former lead designer. Does he even get special thanks? I know it's been a hot topic about developers being petty and leaving certain team members out of the credits or relegating them to special thanks section, just because they weren't there for the finish line or tensions such as in this case. But they still deserve credit for the work they did.
Same. When the game was first revealed I thought it looked quite cool but since this thread has been posted I've skipped their trailers and what not.Every time I read about the game I can't but help think about this thread.
I don't think I'll ever touch it.
Lol nothing was done regarding Insomiac games, Acti-Blizz or Ubisoft ones and you expect that something will be done for this?
Only game that got some kind of response here on Era was CP2077. And I still stand by my opinion that Era should decide if they will treat all developers/games the same or not bother at all. These random decisions serve no purpose.
They didn't. The person whom this was done to is posting in this thread.
The problem is it's very hard to find out the full story because often times it's just one or two ex-employees. With Activision/Blizzard it's manifested into a huge issue because more and more information has come forward to the point of no return. There have been reports on Insomniac and Naughty Dog working conditions too, so what judgment are you looking for/ to do?As I've learned in plenty of previous threads, I'm gonna sit back and wait for the full story before rushing to judgment.
That sucks to hear.They didn't. The person whom this was done to is posting in this thread.
Great post.I can't begin to imagine how it must feel for Brandon to have the courage to come forward to speak of these issues, knowing full-well how dangerous that would be to his career, how it risks legal repercussions from the studio, only to have the very people who would enjoy and appreciate his work the most question his words, rather than trying to be supportive.
This is a no-win scenario that would be completely nonsensical to fight if Brandon's claims didn't have any truth behind them and I'm so incredibly disappointed by some of the responses here.
I hope Brandon can gain enough support to be properly compensated, and I hope some other studio can hire him and give him proper compensation for his work.
As for the studio behind Kena, unless they can give proper compensation and credit to Brandon and all others who worked hard to make it, I won't be purchasing your product. I am sorry to all others who may have worked on the project and not been as heavily affected, but boycotting a product seems to be one of the very few languages that companies understand.
I believe that we can discuss these kinds of issues on Era even if it makes people uncomfortable to have to confront negativity over games and companies they might enjoy and be fans of.Every one of these threads on Era has produced one result in common: bullying.
A dev manager calling the subject of the thread an asshole wasn't even part of the story - until this thread. Neither was targeting or profiling members on Era as company employees or boosters, just for expressing even a glimmer of interest in the game and this particular developer's work - whether they know it's his work or not, or makes a purchase or not.
So no, none of these threads should be stickied or promoted or take the place of game-focused threads, if the result is people targeting and bullying other members. And that includes setting aside the subject of the thread - who is only telling his story - to insist the conversation be only about a certain arrangement of work organization, or suggest that people cannot discuss the game, or suggest that someone's story shouldn't be acknowledged unless the "full story" comes out.
I've been on the bad side of work situations before. What helps the most moving forward from them is having the support system of other people listening, acknowledging, and looking out for future opportunities for you. Not letting a mob form to go after other people in your community. And people should still talk about the results of the work you did, even when the experience was negative - as they will come to know over time that it was you who made a difference.
A contract court case being argued about on Era, a place more attuned to emotions than facts or logic. This is going well.