We Ben Reilly talking about puddles: Spider-Man controversy gets high numbers of upvotes on Reddit
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No, I don't care about this enough to bother. I know what I see with my eye, don't need to debate anything. Just posting my thoughts in the relevant thread.
Biggest different I can see from the comparison in the OP aside from the stupid puddle is the suit looks different and honestly, it makes no sense for it to be super shiny like in the older image. It's cloth. Makes it look like Batman armour or something.
Imagine being upset about something that will literally have no effect on you when you actually play the game.
Do you have the technical expertise to explain exactly what got downgraded in specific terms?
Wait hold on, so they UPGRADED the graphics? Preorder canceled. I demand the game look exactly like it did during the initial E3 reveal.
I would agree if games usually looked better than what a vertical slice showed. That's not the case and i don't see how you can argue that developers, usually, make them in good faith either and due to that deserve the benefit of the doubt. Despite what videogames show, typical software development does not progress with it gradually becoming worse over time. It's awfully convenient way of marketing a product with a superior demo version and shield yourself from critique by saying "it's a work in progress".
Didn't really look at this particular game too much but that's how i see the situation in general.
This kind of thing makes me pretty happy I work on games which, frankly, don't receive this level of attention from so many ridiculously entitled gamers. I can't even imagine the stress of having to show a game, years early, knowing that the graphics can't appear to worsen in any way.
Have you been reading this thread? This place is too, lol.
For the people that have been around for a bit longer, I give you a throw back to a previous Time of Day Downgrade discussion:
LOL
Gosh.
Every time I start to feel worn down by my job, I look at threads like this and remind myself to be thankful that at least I don't have to deal with gamers
Every time I start to feel worn down by my job, I look at threads like this and remind myself to be thankful that at least I don't have to deal with gamers
The fetishization of and obsession over tech specs and graphics across the board has made this a bit of a vicious cycle, yes. You reasonably wanna talk about how your game looks amazing as a selling point, and companies selling hardware upgrades sure want you to push that even more because they need people to care deeply about graphics for them to buy the upgrades. You also want them to obsess over what you show of your game, for the years before it's out. But promoting that's only going to backfire when gamers have very little understanding of what looks good/why things look good/how things look good, and are eager to get pissed over the slightest misunderstanding of something "promised" to them by a trailer changing, and so on.
The fault is with the gamers for throwing the tantrum, but there's something to be said about how this culture's been shaped.
I haven't really played much on PC for years and years, and I generally enjoy janky but interesting games, so... even demanding >1080p, 60+ fps, etc. so strongly is a little alien to me, but RIOTING over the failure to make the graphics perfectly amazing forever is just so completely fucking bizarre that it might as well be from another dimension.
How does this stuff even matter? As long is no one is outright lying to you about how the game looks at release - and even then, chill out - there's no reason to be so angry over such an inconsequential possibility. Like... even if a downgrade happened, would less puddles, a less detailed side of a building, a less shiny suit actually impact your enjoyment at all? Because if the answer is yes: please ask yourself why.
EDIT: and as always, these people are pissed over the non-presence of a puddle, but I bet you most of those same Redditors would be angry at the implication that, say, a misogynistic plot element would ruin someone's enjoyment of a game or their decision to buy it
Yeah it's underrated just how silly Insomniac is being. No one but the most hardcore fanboys were expecting a 1:1 exact copy from E3 demo to release. Just say that it changed over development haha.
Look at the other comparisons from the scenes. The whole building shadows are different. It is a different time of day. Noon and afternoon are not a hard concept to grasp. Neither is environmental lightning that will cast the same shadows because light from outside a building can only penetrate through the windows.
You're not crazy, you are right
i'm not saying there's anything wrong with a downgrade, it happens all the time, but people saying people who are seeing it are crazy are too quick to defend something they have no stake in imo.
What do you think we're doing between the the time developers show the demo and when we release? Honest question.
For the people that have been around for a bit longer, I give you a throw back to a previous Time of Day Downgrade discussion:
Proof of downgrade... omg where did the shadow go? Defend this Sony-Era!!
Lets flip it to a glass half full. The game looks so good that people have stretch like Mr. Fantastic to pick it apart. This will be all forgot by weekend after next
How can anyone look at this specific scene and say there's absolutely no difference? Seriously?Here's the image in question:
Of course there is, and the E3 version clearly looks better.
Now you can say that you don't care about the difference... that's up to you. But don't tell me the two shots are identical.
For the people that have been around for a bit longer, I give you a throw back to a previous Time of Day Downgrade discussion:
lmao...I remember this.
For the people that have been around for a bit longer, I give you a throw back to a previous Time of Day Downgrade discussion:
HOW CAN SHADOWS MOVE LIKE THAT? hand held games are so hilarious.
That's true. But I will point out the very large building in the right hand side of the screen has been completely changed and there is no longer smoke or exhaust vents on the roof. Although it looks like there are some added birds of the tops of that building on the left.
Actual children who need to sit down and shut up in here.
Don't talk shop if you don't know shit.
Don't talk shop if you don't know shit.
Because there isn't a downgrade. What's your preferred speed of defense then?
A difference does not mean a downgrade. We can say that there is no downgrade because of other examples posted in this very thread.
You realize how weird it is to claim something then refuse to back it up, right?
I think they think game development is where you go to a computer and hit the "make good game" button. And that sometimes devs are mean and hit the "make worse game" button.
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