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Oct 25, 2017
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i really want grey-asexual to be condensed into greysexual

Asexual : Ace :: Grey-Asexual : Grace

Edit: because this ended up at the top of the page, and is more likely to be seen, I feel like I should say that I don't use either of those labels, I just thought the term worked out nicely. Seems that there's a forum that uses the name already.
 
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Kangi

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It's a not-often-talked-about label since those who identify as such are often dismissed as just having hangups. Of course, similar happens to anyone under the asexuality umbrella.

Sexuality's a big, beautiful spectrum! May not be easy to label every part of it--or even ideal, really--but each identity is valid. No quotation marks needed.
 

Cyclonesweep

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I think you're making a mistake that I made a lot some time ago: I was trying to ask, why are all these different labels necessary? Can't we have a simpler system of description? But that's totally missing the purpose in building these labels in the first place.

Imagine you're someone who identifies in that "gray asexual" territory. Your sexuality is clearly very different from the cishet "standard" that society is pushing on you, because you feel so disconnected and alienated from that standard that you start looking into queer circles for some place to feel at home. But what if that gray asexual label doesn't exist? When you tell ace people that you're trying to form a common bond and connection with that you feel sexual attraction sometimes, it's heartbreaking to have people say "Hey, you're not REALLY ace."

If you don't have empathy for those experiences, it's easy to dismiss why the label matters. But would you roll your eyes when someone says "I'm not British, I'm Irish"?
I have never really liked all the labels but I have ended up with the mindset that labels matter to those who can't find one for themselves and once they do they cling onto it because they finally can put a word to it and for lots of people, thats important.
 

Chojin

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It means Demi is gonna come to your house and make you read Kumagoro books.

Not demi the other one. Neodemiforce demi.
 

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I think you're making a mistake that I made a lot some time ago: I was trying to ask, why are all these different labels necessary? Can't we have a simpler system of description? But that's totally missing the purpose in building these labels in the first place.

Imagine you're someone who identifies in that "gray asexual" territory. Your sexuality is clearly very different from the cishet "standard" that society is pushing on you, because you feel so disconnected and alienated from that standard that you start looking into queer circles for some place to feel at home. But what if that gray asexual label doesn't exist? When you tell ace people that you're trying to form a common bond and connection with that you feel sexual attraction sometimes, it's heartbreaking to have people say "Hey, you're not REALLY ace."

If you don't have empathy for those experiences, it's easy to dismiss why the label matters. But would you roll your eyes when someone says "I'm not British, I'm Irish"?
Thanks for this, makes it a bit clearer where it comes from yeah. This, and other stuff regarding sexual drive, and binary-ness and such, made me think though -- it seems that this all is sort of a new system, or systems, to describe sexuality and gender. I'm wondering if that's maybe a good way to bring it to people who are okay (or don't know any better) with the current system. Instead of framing it as hetero-normative vs LGBTQ etc., you frame it as old system vs new system.

Although I guess that's what the terms already describe. that hadn't really landed clearly for me yet -- it's easy to interpret the hetero-normative and LGBTQ etc. stuff as separate groupings. As in this group isn't part of this new system, but it is isn't it? What would the nomenclature be for a straight hetero person with a median sex drive? Would it be a "cisgendered heterosexual ...sexual"?

Cool, I feel like I sort of understood before, but now it's becoming more clear to me what it all is. It's easier to incorporate into my mental model, if that makes sense.
 

Morrigan

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It means the demi needs to form an emotional bond with a person first before feeling sexual attraction towards them. Like, assuming you're a cis-hetero man, you might see an attractive woman and think "I desire her sexual companionship". A demisexual wouldn't feel this way until they get to know the attractive woman.
I think it's more specific than that. Someone might not be into one-night stands or whatever and still not be demi-sexual; they'd find that woman sexually attractive and maybe have sexual thoughts and desires ("wow she's hot", "I'd do her" etc.) without ever wanting to act on those thoughts for whatever reasons ("I'm married", "she's hot but I don't do one-night stands", etc.). A demi-sexual, however, would not find her "hot" at all. They might think she's pretty (the same way a nice painting is) but not have any sexual thoughts or any feeling of attraction, until after they get to know the person.

For the same reasons, I would assume a demi-sexual would not find porn attractive or interesting to look at, no matter how attractive the performers are, because they only find attraction in people they form a deep connection with.

At least, that's my understanding of it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong!
 

lake

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Oct 27, 2017
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My spouse is demi-sexual so I'll take a stab at it. In the decade we've been together, they've really only noted someone's attractiveness I think maybe twice. They can notice beauty but do not want to approach, kiss, touch, or be intimate with people they see. They don't want to have sexy-times with anyone except me. It's just not something they're interested in at all. They require a deeper feeling of romance, connection, and love to even want to kiss someone. We don't have sex often for people who live together, but we make out all the time. They definitely have strong romantic and sexual feelings for me, so they don't identify as asexual.
This is pretty much how I feel actually. I have a partner who I'm into. I notice and appreciate hot people (a lot, actually) but don't really want to fux them personally. That seems like so much work, and have to be in a certain mood, etc... The thought tires me.
 

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Isn't it more of a scale though, rather than clearly defined sections? Seems like there's a whole world between hypersexual - sexual - demisexual - asexual.
 

The BLJ

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Isn't demisexual just "the norm", socially and culturally speaking? It's pretty much "traditional religious sexuality", no?

I've never had sexual interest for anyone but my soon-to-be wife. Put me on the demi wagon, I guess.
 
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Mekanos

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I always understood demisexuality as a side of asexuality. Like there are certain asexuals who can and will have sex with people they bond deeply with but generally speaking aren't interested in sex. Demisexuality would theoretically fall under that umbrella.
 

Psittacus

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I look at demisexuality through the lens of the primary/secondary attraction model. Where primary attraction is the immediate and superficial "That person is hot, I want to fuck them" and secondary attraction is the attraction that builds slowly over time as you get to know someone.

Demisexual people experience little to no primary attraction
 

Ms.Galaxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Isn't demisexual just "the norm", socially and culturally speaking? It's pretty much "traditional religious sexuality", no?

I've never had sexual interest for anyone but my soon-to-be wife. Put me on the demi wagon, I guess.

No, demisexuals are people who do not find anyone sexually attractive (much like asexuals) except for people they have an emotional connection to. For example, I'm demi, and when I was in 8th grade there was this girl who teased me constantly. However, I never felt anything, and people assumed I was gay because of it. Then in 9th grade there was this guy who tried to do the same and I felt nothing. My friends decided to tease me as well during all this, jokingly of course, but their teasing actually sexually aroused me greatly.
 

Charizard

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Hi I identify as demi.

Seeing people I recognize as hot and shit never turned me on. I was always confused as to why the hell everyone went on about how hot X was, how they wanted to bang Y if they got the chance, etc.

However, there have been a few occasions where I am chatting with a friend like always and suddenly it's like a switch turned on inside me. I suddenly go from not finding someone hot at all to wanting to fuck the hell outta them. It isnt about being comfortable with someone. It is much more like a switch, from having no sexual interest, even if I could, to full steam ahead.

This causes problems actually. I am an extremely horny guy still I'd say but I find so few people sexually attractive that I can't just do a grindr hook up or anything to try to get rid of my frustration. I have tried man and it just doesn't work well at all.

It definitely has nothing to do with sex drive. It is just how my brain works. *sigh*
 

KingK

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Huh....I...might be demi-sexual? I'd never heard the term before. There was a several year period where I thought I might be asexual, or just have a low sex drive or something.

Idk, I've always just considered myself straight, but reading about demi-sexual sounds a lot like my experiences. I never really considered it as a category though.
 

BadAlchemy

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So to elaborate a little more (demisexual here), the thing that really doesn't interest me is sex for its own sake. I just feel like there are many, many more interesting ways I could spend my time. With my partner it's different. The sex itself isn't something I desire, but the intimacy and closeness that results from it is really nice. It feels nurturing, it strengthens our relationship.

Oh, and it's good to see this thread is helping people understand who they are better! Good job Budweiser I guess. I'm still not drinking your beer though, sorry.
 

Choppasmith

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My spouse is demi-sexual so I'll take a stab at it. In the decade we've been together, they've really only noted someone's attractiveness I think maybe twice. They can notice beauty but do not want to approach, kiss, touch, or be intimate with people they see. They don't want to have sexy-times with anyone except me. It's just not something they're interested in at all. They require a deeper feeling of romance, connection, and love to even want to kiss someone. We don't have sex often for people who live together, but we make out all the time. They definitely have strong romantic and sexual feelings for me, so they don't identify as asexual.

I identify as demi and this seems like an accurate take. I'm just not so fortunate enough to be with anybody right now. Even before I knew demisexuality was a thing, I just figured I was "old fashioned" and that I just didn't go full horndog for women at the drop of a hat. I mean, heck, I've pondered that I could probably go gay for sometime if it felt like I got know someone well enough.
 
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I mean it says right there in the tweet: they are not sexually attracted to random people on the streets but only people they know well.

That doesn't make them LGBT necessarily but it's a thing.
 

CrocM

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's a difference in finding someone sexually attractive, and being sexually attracted to someone.

For me (grey-ace) this is much more pronounced gulf than it seems to be for most people. I can't explain it well or try to speak for anyone other than myself.

That doesn't make them LGBT necessarily but it's a thing.

Imagine not being considered queer but still having people mock your sexuality.
 

Ms.Galaxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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it means half sexual

half of what? i dont know

I'd say half asexual, since it's part of the asexual tent. We're asexual with everyone except with people we have some form of emotional connection with.

That doesn't make them LGBT necessarily but it's a thing.

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It means people are very complex. I don't even know how to describe myself with words, but I can see why its useful for many people.
 

milkyway

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I don't know! Maybe I should get cancelled for this, but I genuinely want to understand what it means to be "gray asexual" and how one would even measure a sexuality as nebulous as being "sometimes horny".
I mean asexuality in general is a pretty nebulous thing - I mean I'm sure some people are never horny with no sex drive or desire to be intimate with someone else but then there's the broader spectrum. Personally for me it's very obvious looking at my history that my sexuality is different than my peers, and I guess the best way I can describe it is that it's mostly 'off', it's just not really on my mind much, but I have flashes of it being there and a hesitant desire to connect on a romantic level. I guess it could be gray, demi, or asexual, don't know, but it's pretty distinctly non-sexual regardless. So I think gray asexual is less than "sometimes horny", it's more like nonsexual with flashes of sexual desire here and there, and perhaps at a lesser intensity than the average joe.
 

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I really don't get why so many people are having a hard time understanding this, I'm a strait male and normally not super deep into knowing much about other sexuality's in terms of understanding. But I understood what it was after reading the description right off the bat, they don't find themselves "checking out" people that walk by and I'm assuming unless it's made by some one they know really well porn would be non arousing at all. It's interesting to learn about because as a strait male my way of deciding who to date is a mix of there personality and my attraction to there looks, so if I was Demi half of what I use to find a match would be gone.
 

The BLJ

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No, demisexuals are people who do not find anyone sexually attractive (much like asexuals) except for people they have an emotional connection to. For example, I'm demi, and when I was in 8th grade there was this girl who teased me constantly. However, I never felt anything, and people assumed I was gay because of it. Then in 9th grade there was this guy who tried to do the same and I felt nothing. My friends decided to tease me as well during all this, jokingly of course, but their teasing actually sexually aroused me greatly.
Suddenly this makes tons of sense. Thank you!
I never found someone sexually attractive other than my soon-to-be wife, but it's not the sole fact of having an emotional connection that is arousing either. Take me off the demi wagon.
 

CrocM

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I mean asexuality in general is a pretty nebulous thing - I mean I'm sure some people are never horny with no sex drive or desire to be intimate with someone else but then there's the broader spectrum. Personally for me it's very obvious looking at my history that my sexuality is different than my peers, and I guess the best way I can describe it is that it's mostly 'off', it's just not really on my mind much, but I have flashes of it being there and a hesitant desire to connect on a romantic level. I guess it could be gray, demi, or asexual, don't know, but it's pretty distinctly non-sexual regardless. So I think gray asexual is less than "sometimes horny", it's more like nonsexual with flashes of sexual desire here and there, and perhaps at a lesser intensity than the average joe.
You're not alone friend.
 

samoyed

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Subgroups are a lie though, it's just awful clustering applied on continuums and it always hurts those on the boundary.
So I think at the least we'd need at least 4 axes. Masculine/feminine, homosexual/heterosexual, asexual/pansexual, cis/trans. There's probably a few more I can't think of.

Can't wait until I can express my sexuality like an IP address. 64.128.192.0 what up brehs. Also I think this trivially maps onto RGBA values.
 

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Wait, so demi-sexuals dont watch porn?

I cant watch or look at porn of real people because they're strangers and its very uncomfortable/awkward, though im probably closer to some combination of asexual, semi and pansexual if that makes sense. My brain cant decide whats going on and there's certainly no group of people I feel I can relate to specifically and its endlessly frustrating (and lonely).
 

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I never knew what Demi-Sexual was but that's me to a tee. And it's more than just "I have to like or know someone to sleep with them". To add on to what Ms.Galaxy said from the other end it's not just "oh I need to know someone to be attracted". If I don't have a special bond I literally cannot get aroused and my organs will not work as intended leading to me not being able to perform.

It's one reason my sex life is so horrid and in a environment where lots of people know me it's hard to make those bonds. People have already judged me, both gay and straight that I must be the opposite because attractive people of both sexes have tried to get it on with me and same sex thinks I am straight and opposite think I am gay because my mind and body will literally not respond without that deeper connection.

So yeah it's definitley a lot deeper than "I need to have a connection with someone to sleep with them". If you take someone forcing me against my will out of the equation I literally have no attraction and cannot physically respond without the connection and that is not the norm like people are trying to imply.