He literally said this
At least that's what i got out of it *shrug*
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What I actually said on Kotaku Splitscreen about the PlayStation 5's specs
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At least that's what i got out of it *shrug*
Woof
I wish the warriors would just massively chill out. At the end of the day, you won't care about power because (as Matt and other Jason already said) they are both incredibly strong machines doing things we've never seen before. You will care about the games.
Personally I think the PS5 specs are a dream come true. When Cerny said developers were asking for faster drives, I can only confirm I'd personally say the same. We can already push a ton of pixels to screen, but getting an ultra fast drive standard in every box is something we've never had. And as I said a few weeks ago: the faster the better. However, that's just me. There are a lot of developers who might think differently about this. I think most developers will agree that both these boxes are just super impressive!
I wish the warriors would just massively chill out. At the end of the day, you won't care about power because (as Matt and other Jason already said) they are both incredibly strong machines doing things we've never seen before. You will care about the games.
Personally I think the PS5 specs are a dream come true. When Cerny said developers were asking for faster drives, I can only confirm I'd personally say the same. We can already push a ton of pixels to screen, but getting an ultra fast drive standard in every box is something we've never had. And as I said a few weeks ago: the faster the better. However, that's just me. There are a lot of developers who might think differently about this. I think most developers will agree that both these boxes are just super impressive!
Much of that power difference was spent on resolution.
Next gen, everyone's gonna be targeting 4K 60fps. Extra power will likely spill over into (probably slightly) improved visuals or smoother frame rates.
he's relaying what devs told him
why does this bother you so much?
I hope Jason don't lose faith in humanity after reading this thread. Ps5 being amazing does not mean xsx is shit. Unless you are fighting for the chance to say who will buy the most amazing console, then there is no hope for you
because it's an assumption of fact that is yet to be proven. all the numbers actually say is that both platforms will be robust.
You'd have to run actual comparative benchmarks to see if those different numbers actually panned out to a major performance difference.
Right now no one can say for sure.
unless you just want to pick a "team" and root for them, in which case, do it quietly.
And that's a huge positive for the industry at the end of the day.
It definitely appears to be about 15 to 20 percent more powerful in terms of raw processing.
I'm guessing they're gonna be pretty similar boxes in practice.
Why can't people just read the threads they post in, find it strange.
Xbox has been more powerful for years, some people need to move on and not worry.
Let people be happy.
Not sure if you're familiar with the user but he kept getting banned in the next-gen thread for being a fanboy so I wouldn't bother.
Its hilarious to me at this point. Like...none of this flop waving matters. Theres a fucking pandemic at your doorstep and I still won't be surprise if the launch of these consoles are delayed.
From what I understood, it sounded like PS5 will have more ways to free up GPU usage than XSX. Having a faster SSD with the Geometry engine means you can have dynamically rendered levels of polygon complexity based on draw distance (for example: an object that would traditionally look blocky at a distance would instead have a well defined outline, but the "inside" shape would still be lower quality until you get closer). I might be misremembering, but if the 3D audio processing is separate from the GPU, then that would yield a higher audio quality without sacrificing physics or graphics. And it also sounded like the CPU could also perform some graphics workload if the game is more GPU-dependent.
Oh right, so after all the specs released over the last couple of days PS5 can still be more powerful than series X.....
This reminds me of Xbox fanboys trying to spin the specs of the Xbox One to bring it in line with the PS4.
I think the messaging is that don't start sulking if you're a playstation fan. It has its merits too. The difference isn't earth shatterring and there might even be some big upsides in some games.
Xbox fans can relax.
Meanwhile, PC fans are sweating for our triple digit framerates. Need some massive strides in GPU and CPU power to keep that up. I'm back to considering holding off for another year now.... :/
Enthusiasts will always care about the power.
Xbox fans can relax.
Meanwhile, PC fans are sweating for our triple digit framerates. Need some massive strides in GPU and CPU power to keep that up. I'm back to considering holding off for another year now.... :/
Enthusiasts will always care about the power.
I'm sure they can be excited for PS5 and some of its features and strengths while simultaneously accepting that a number is bigger. It's not either/or. Devs are allowed to be enthused by PS5, no?
I mean, no, it's a fact that SeX is more powerful. It doesn't mean that PS5 isn't a great console. That's the point of this thread.
I think the problem is that what devs want may not be particularly appealing or easy to convey to mass market consumers. Cerny had an hour here and people just kinda shrugged it off.
I've been avoiding the warz fray but some of these responses are actually a decent distraction in the time of corona.
The lack of self awareness and no understanding of context or nuance is a bit disappointing unless you give posters too much credit and just assume they are trolling.
The lack of self awareness and no understanding of context or nuance is a bit disappointing unless you give posters too much credit and just assume they are trolling.
if you're flashing back to fanboy battles maybe relax. if this is all about not letting them be in the same neighborhood, relative to power, and one has to be dominant over the other as a selling point to satisfy consumer anxiety, just buy the one with the biggest numbers and be happy with your purchase.
in b4 "this is just more fanboy spin" haven't owned a playstation since the psx.
Raw compute, yes (aka TF). How it plays out in practice is unknown at this point but I'd guess it will have a performance lead (smaller than the TF number suggests however).
Yes, the specs on paper and in the console make it more powerful..
Yea, it's sounding like the performances will be very close to each other. I'm thinking the price for both is going to be the same.
On paper is probably how it will play out in the real world too, but on paper each box has advantages. I think they'll be very close.
Yeah, some changes in game design will be easily implemented multiplatform, I think the main issue here is messaging by Cerny. The talk was pushed as a general talk for the public and not just devs, and the general public is very confused how the SSD tech can be utilized to make up for the perceived lack of power compared to Xbox, especially if the game isn't a PS5 exclusive.
Sony would have been better off just showing the PS5 hardware and 1 or 2 games, then people wouldn't only have spec wars to focus on. Or if sticking to purely a tech talk and their proprietary tech can be easily adapted by developers to multiplatform titles to make the games run equally as well on PS5 as their competitors, let the public know...
Exhausting isn't it? Both machines will be good.
Be sure to say something nice about the XSX, wouldn't want some people here to continue to feel bad or whatever.
Agreed, they need to show, not tell. Show the advantages, show how it might not have been so good if they did something different. Give the concepts a sexy name even. If people can see it and easily articulate it, half the job is done in terms of communicating whatever strengths there might be here.
Unfortunately Cerny's talk was very much aimed at people - developers - who can fill in the blanks for themselves, or extrapolate the implications for their own games. Not at consumers.
I would say less game design changes in a multiplat context, as asset management scaling, if the game isn't already easily served at its max asset fidelity by slower storage. Which might be... until we see games and their demands, we don't really know yet.
But agreed on the messaging, totally.
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If what you are reading out of what he is saying is "damage control" I think that says more about you than him.
Cleveland Brown on paper was going to win the Superbowl last year so....
I dont see it like that. To me, Jason it's just telling to PS fans to not be worried about the PS5 being less powerfull (wich it is) than the XSX, there are more things that just TFs. He is been saying this for a long time. And all of this is related to how bad Sony marketing is right now.
It seems Sony may have been having a different conversation with devs this time around than the team at Xbox. We are even hearing of devs under NDA surrounding PS5's capabilties. If what is being implied by Jason's Dev contacts is true, then Sony seem to have presented the answer to a design philosophy that opens up avenues game developers hadn't previously considered, or had but were hamstrung by current/incoming tech (including XSX). This being all correct then this gen should be even more of a wash than the last in the Playstation/Xbox gaming universe. Games may never be the same again. Fascinating.
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