What was worse? Indiana Jones : Crystal Skull, or Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker
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I think they are both decent films in their respective franchise, but clearly conflicting audience reactions.
I think Crystal Skull was more of a missed opportunity, in comparison to Skywalkerjust feeling sloppy and rushed
I think Crystal Skull was more of a missed opportunity, in comparison to Skywalkerjust feeling sloppy and rushed
Crystal Skull still has some great moments in it, tells a complete story and it's no more absurd and "over the top" as some of the craziness in Temple of Doom.
Skywalker is just all over the map and has no idea what it wants to do. It also lacks some memorable moments, other than Rey/Kylo water fight I have a hard time recalling a lot of it.
Skywalker is just all over the map and has no idea what it wants to do. It also lacks some memorable moments, other than Rey/Kylo water fight I have a hard time recalling a lot of it.
Ya, I don't hate it like most people do and I really never had an issue with the fridge. That one sequence though was really bad even if you try to turn your brain off. It just even visually looked so bad and fake. Changing that scene to something more grounded or something that doesn't look as bad would have really made a difference on the impression the movie had on me.
Crystal Skull is mostly a pretty fun movie. It just doesn't hold a candle to the previous movies and is held back by some atrocious CGI set pieces.
Rise of Skywalker just plain sucks. It's fucking terrible top to bottom.
Rise of Skywalker just plain sucks. It's fucking terrible top to bottom.
Crystal Skull is still a fairly solid Indy adventure, despite a lot of dumb-even-for-the-series elements. There's a lot of good stuff in it if you look past the one or two scenes the internet's obsessed with.
Rise of Skywalker is way more problematic all around. The premise itself is needlessly ridiculous, and it only gets worse from there. It's the end result of the tug-of-war between Abrams and Johnson, who clearly had two very different visions for the trilogy and weren't the least bit interested in the other's approach.
Rise of Skywalker is way more problematic all around. The premise itself is needlessly ridiculous, and it only gets worse from there. It's the end result of the tug-of-war between Abrams and Johnson, who clearly had two very different visions for the trilogy and weren't the least bit interested in the other's approach.
I find the only really, really dumb thing that takes me out of the movie is the swingin' monkey scene. Everything else is kind of typical Indy craziness that I'm all for, dude has been through and survived absurd shit for three movies already, but Shia with monkeys teaching him to swing was just bananas.
TRoS can't be ignored and ruins the end of a solid trilogy.
Crystal Skull follows a good trilogy and can be ignored.
Crystal Skull follows a good trilogy and can be ignored.
As an aside, I find it more awkward to go back and watch Crystal Skull due to Shia labouf being in it :/
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I would argue Temple of Doom is a pretty 6.5/10 entry, when the other two are 10/10s.
I mean Temple of Doom is by far a worse movie. Its straight up racist
I legitimately cannot choose - been hovering over either choice for about 5 minutes now. I think I've chosen one then I remind myself about another part of the other film.
This is also a major factor. Indy movies are all standalone, Star Wars all have to tie in with each other and you have to watch them to get the full story. To have a part really drop the ball hurts the overall saga.
Yes but there's a lot of great sequences and moments in the film, even if it's held together by a very misguided story.
Crystal Skull is mostly zzzzzzzzzzz.
Wrong.
Firstly, the decisions made in TLJ were good.
Secondly, Trevorrow's script took into account the events of TLJ and would have been a decent film (with some changes), certainly better than TRoS. There was nothing inevitable about TRoS.
The movie tried to course correct as a result of the second film. It's a bad movie, but it's still not the worst in that trilogy. What happened was a result of course correcting. You're welcome to say someone else could have done it better, but it is cause and effect.
Crystal Skull has a couple scenes that, when viewed in a vacuum, are serviceable.
TROS has nothing. NOTHING.
TROS has nothing. NOTHING.
However much I loathe TLJ, at least it has no screaming Kate Capshaw ruining my hearing.
TLJ caused a lot of the problems with TRoS, yeah.
I love how it frames Abrams and co as some victims that were so shackled by TLJ that they had no recourse but to make the most creatively bankrupt story choices in the franchise.
Skywalker, easily. That movie has fundamental problems. It's utterly unsalvageable without throwing out the entire base premise. Even RotS rates higher than that.
I don't see how TLJ forced TROS to sideline Rose, leave Finn dangling with nothing or bring grandpappy Palps out of nowhere.
I don't see how TLJ forced TROS to sideline Rose, leave Finn dangling with nothing or bring grandpappy Palps out of nowhere.
I hate TRoS as much as the next guy, but I'd say it does have some serviceable-to-good scenes when viewed in a vaccuum.
The Han and Kylo scene.
Rey shooting lightning at the transport.
Probably a couple more I'm forgetting.
Even the most garbage Star Wars films have one or two good scenes in isolation, such as the Maul fight in TPM or the opera scene in RotS. Although I'm racking my brains for AotC...Anakin on his speeder with Duel of the Fates playing on Tatooine?
You always pull through with this image and I appreciate that
i think we give Crystal Skull a lot of shit because indiana Jones 1-3 was so fucking amazing, our expectations were set too high.
With Skywalker, it wasnt a terrible star wars movie. It was a terrible movie all together. It literally makes no sense. It felt like it was written by a high school kid who kinda only watched the previous star wars movies, and had to write a script for homework and finished it on the bus ride to school.
That and it's entire opening is a banger with some great stunt work.
Crystal Skull is wayyyy more enjoyable, more competently crafted, and more fun. It also does less to sully the previous films. Crystal Skull is better than most people give it credit for tbh, it just pales in comparison to past films.
Rise of Skywalker is a poor movie on its own, a worse movie when compared to past entries, and an even worse movie when taken as an ending to a massive arc
Rise of Skywalker is a poor movie on its own, a worse movie when compared to past entries, and an even worse movie when taken as an ending to a massive arc
Gimme a break, don't try to redirect this to be another hatefest on TLJ. TLJ is quite honestly irrelevant to TROS' problems, since it basically pretends it didn't exist/barely happened.
TROS is a structural mess that is just a skeleton of a macguffin quest, featuring a half dozen supporting characters with essentially no plot or development of their own (including both characters who were in the previous movies of the trilogy as well as brand new ones), wrapped around a completely out of left field resurrection of Palpatine, robbing Kylo Ren of his setup of being the main antagonist, that culminates in a wet fart of a climax.
None of that has anything to do with TLJ.
TROS is quite honestly one of the worst blockbusters ever made.
This isn't the thread for this, but them trying to fix it led to those decisions being made.
There's multiple people ITT saying the same thing, and I wasn't even the first. I agreed with someone else. Your dogpiling is changing the course of this thread. Let others have a different view and bugger off.
I can't really vote because I hardly remember Crystal Skull. I'd have to go back and watch it but I do remember being pretty underwhelmed at the time. However, that was before I was really into online movie reviews/discussion prior to a movies release. So, I didn't know what to expect but walked away disappointed.
I walked into TROS knowing exactly what to expect due to early impressions, so my feeling coming out of the movie wasn't that bad.
I walked into TROS knowing exactly what to expect due to early impressions, so my feeling coming out of the movie wasn't that bad.
Rise of Skywalker. As a young SW fan who grew up with both the original and prequel trilogy, who enjoyed TFA and what TLJ brought to the table..it's legit the one Star Wars film I just can't stand. There's a couple decent moments in the film but overall just a bad film
