How big of a game would you prefer AC Shadows to be?

  • Similar to AC 2/Brotherhood/Revelations (~20 hour MSQ, 30 hour completion)

    Votes: 200 30.9%
  • Similar to AC Black Flag/Unity/Syndicate (~25 hour MSQ, 60 hour completion)

    Votes: 194 30.0%
  • Similar to Origins (~30 hour MSQ, 100 hour completion)

    Votes: 140 21.6%
  • Similar to Odyssey/Valhalla (~50 hour MSQ, 140 hour completion)

    Votes: 91 14.1%
  • Longer than Odyssey and Valhalla - I can't get enough!

    Votes: 22 3.4%

  • Total voters
    647

CloseTalker

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Oct 25, 2017
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Based on today's announcements, there's more excitement for the upcoming Japan-set Assassin's Creed Shadows than there has been for quite some time in this franchise. And any time Assassin's Creed comes up in conversation, you can probably hold your breath for the time it takes for the topics of game length, "padding", and "bloat" to come up.

Curiously, I've seen more and more love for Assassin's Creed Odyssey, which wasn't necessarily hated upon release, but definitely not widely revered due to it releasing so soon after Origins and being such a long game. But I see more and more people look at the Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla trilogy as a form of gaming comfort food, and appreciate that they can throw on a podcast, get lost in the world, and zone out while accomplishing menial tasks for a few hours. With Shadows being the next big proper AC game since Valhalla, it's likely that it will be similarly structured and have a similar amount of content. That could be wrong, we don't know for sure, but it's probably a safe bet.

That said, what's the perfect length for one of these to you?
 
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Antoo

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May 1, 2019
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50-60 hours probably. these are meant to be big expansive games that you sink a lot of time into. you want to get lost in the world for hours. i just hope they take a more interesting approach compared to valhalla when it comes to how the story is presented. that game essentially had like 14 mini arcs that were mostly disconnected from each other, which made the game lack any cohesive identity.
 

Rosebud

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Apr 16, 2018
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Anything is fine to me, but my favorite AC is Odyssey so would love a big game
 

BrickArts295

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's been like 4 years since Valhalla, this one is gonna be a big one for better or worse. I usually preferred the pre-rpg lengths but I don't mind the longer lengths, though I think Valhalla was bit too much.
 

bitcloudrzr

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May 31, 2018
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I finished the main story for Origins and Odyssey in about 32 hours each so hopefully around that. If they want to make completionist a 100 hour trek around the open world, then by all means do what you will.
 

El_Dabrah

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Feb 18, 2024
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I want an Odyssey / Valhalla length game that is fun like Odyssey and not a slog like Valhalla.
 

Greywaren

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Jul 16, 2019
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For an open world game, 50-60 is good to do the main story and most side stuff. If it's gonna be longer, I need VERY good variety.
 

Red Kong XIX

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Oct 11, 2020
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Origins was the perfect length.

Valhalla was way too long. Actively negatively impacted my opinion of it.
 

Zebesian-X

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Dec 3, 2018
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I don't want every Assassin's Creed game to be an Odyssey-level juggernaut

I DO want Shadows to be one though
 

Santar

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Oct 27, 2017
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Gigantic! No one's saying you have to beat it in one go. Play for a s long as it's fun, then move on to something else and come back to it later.
 

Chumunga64

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Jun 22, 2018
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Honestly I'm fine with big games. These large ubisoft games are big so you find something to do wherever you go

They're not intended to complete 100%
 
Oct 29, 2017
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I think Assassin's Creed is a series that narratively has made time skips a part of its identity. You got to have the feeling that you played two games back to back.
 

ClearMetal

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Oct 25, 2017
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As much as I loved Odyssey (I have spent 350+ hours in that game), the main story felt way too long. Valhalla doubly so because how lifeless that world was.

So I voted 30 hours for the main quest. That said, I would be absolutely fine with Odyssey levels of optional """bloat""".

I just hope the world feels lived in. It's a big reason why Odyssey worked and, as mentioned, where Valhalla failed. That and the stealth gameplay.
 

scottbeowulf

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Oct 27, 2017
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I like a short main quest at maybe 20-30 hours, but tons of side content if I want it at another 100hrs. But that depends on the setting. I couldn't get into Valhalla at all. But Origins had it's hooks in me for 100hrs.
 

hog

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Mar 9, 2021
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I want it to be a big game, but they should give the player control over just how big it should be. A lot of the content in Valhalla should've been optional side quests rather than mandatory for story progression, and Origins/Odyssey where both dragged down by the slow levelling curve making a lot of the side content effectively mandatory. This is what really kills the pacing in these games. If you get to the point where you're burning out and just want to finish the main story, the game ought to let you.
 

Indelible

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'am fine with it being as long as Odyssey if it has missions and characters that are interesting, something that was very lacking in Valhalla.
 

Vic20

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Nov 10, 2019
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it could be a billion hours for all I care, it just needs to be good.

Valhalla' story structure should never come back, (the whole multiple story lines thing should be dropped)
 

PucePikmin

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Apr 26, 2018
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I don't necessarily want all AC games to be this long, but specifically for the RPG-style entries, I think Origins was about the right length. Odyssey and Valhalla was where things started to feel overstuffed.
 

NullPointer

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Oct 27, 2017
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It depends, and is not a fixed range or value.

To use the current Booty-mangled-lingo, you only want as much bread as you have peanut butter.

If I'm 80 hours in and have lost track of the the plot or motivation I better be playing a Bethesda game.
 

Z-Beat

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Oct 25, 2017
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20 hour MSQ, 35 Completion

After going through nearly every single mainline AC I really don't think they need to be longer than that. The modern open worlds aren't fun enough to traverse for me to want more. There's only so much excitement a horse or a non-pirate ship can bring
 

Kazuhira

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Oct 26, 2017
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AC2 or Black Flag were the sweet spot imo, if they want to add another 100hs of side content is fine.
Brotherhood and Revelations' main stories were short, like 8hrs, but they had an insane amount of side content for example.
 
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The Unsent

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't really have a preference, it's how they use the content, but feel a bit shortchanged by sub 20 hour open world RPG games.
 

elenarie

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Jun 10, 2018
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Origins 120 hours
Odyssey 160 hours
Valhalla 240 hours

Let's go over 300 this time! I'll be there day 1 and day 890!
 

Rustyspider13

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Nov 16, 2023
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Picked the second option. Ubisoft open world checklist design is made for me, prime example of gaming comfort food. I've never had a problem with them until Valhalla. Valhalla took my patience to the limit and I couldn't wait for it to be over. So anything that shaves of 20/30 hours off of it would be ideal.
 

JigglesBunny

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm only playing non-RPG Assassin's Creed games that can be beaten in 20 hours or less. No interest in anything else. They can keep that shit.
 

N7_Kovalski

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Oct 28, 2017
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30ish hours would be nice but I imagine it'll be 50-60 to beat/casual playthrough and 100+ for completionists.
 

JigglesBunny

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It's no coincidence that the best Assassin's Creed game since Brotherhood is a VR game with wide-linear levels jumping between multiple eras that takes around 15 hours to complete.
 

Y2Kev

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Oct 25, 2017
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It needs to be 6000 hours. I only make $3 per year so that's a good value for me. I would like endlessly generated quests like "pick up trash" and "kill lizards" until the ps5 dies. That's value.
 
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Only on Era would it be under 20 winning.
I feel like I should have been more specific that this was just asking about length, and not game design haha. Like, in my hypothetical the shorter length games would still be with the current AC RPG-lite game design. I have a feeling people asking for shorter length want another game similar to what Mirage was, which wasn't really what I was asking.