Dude. This is actually getting ridiculous so I'll keep it short.Metacritic Scores:
For PS4
Uncharted 4 is 93
Bloodborne is 92
For Nintendo 3DS
Fire Emblem Awakening is 92
The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds is 91
For Nintendo Switch
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is 97
Super Mario Odyssey is 97
You say Fire Emblem has scored 90+ for its last two major installments... Are you sure?
Fire Emblem Warrior is 75
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia is 81
Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest is 87
Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright is 86
You say Mario Kart scored 90+ with its last major installment... Hmm
Mario Kart 8 for the WIIU is 88
If you're thinking about the deluxe version of the game on Switch then you may as well add the Last of Us Remastered at 95 for Sony
You say Metroid Prime had not had a single sub-90 game yet... Okay
Metroid: Samus Returns is 86
Metroid Prime: Federation Force is 64
You say no Sony franchise counts is legitimate bait so I had to do the research for you. So I'm not sure who really is making the stupid argument and it's really comes across as condescending on your part...
My point is that the fidelity and performance of Nintendo hardware, along with other things, is lagging behind other consoles.Switch is more recent than base PS4 in terms of hardware inside though.
Dude. This is actually getting ridiculous so I'll keep it short.
a) you counted fire emblem spin offs.
b) Yes, I was referencing MK8D. No, I have no issues with you counting TLOU:R either
c) Samus Returns is not Metroid Prime- the Prime trilogy is Metroid Prime. This one I can at least excuse because it can be hard for an outsider to understand right away.
d) I didn't say no Sony franchise counts- I said the ridiculous goalpost that you have for Nintendo where a franchise needs to be 90 it above to count should also apply to Sony, in which case no Sony franchise counts.
And I'm being baity?
What's honestly a little sad is the fact that Microsoft could've had a place in this conversation as little as 5 or 6 years ago. Gears was an excellent 3rd person shooter, Halo was a FPS juggernaut, Forza seemed unmatched in sim racing...
But the quality of all these franchises has really fallen off a cliff on the Xbox One. Halo 5 was rough, Gears 4 was unremarkable, and even Forza is being looked at with increased scrutiny since it tries to force feed you DLC and microtransactions at every turn.
Halo, Gears, and Forza could've stayed as strong franchises, but they needed to be well-cultivated. Sony and Nintendo pour tons of time, money, and effort into ensuring their first party games are the absolute best they can be. From where I'm sitting, it doesn't seem like MS made nearly as strong an effort to ensure their first party games were synonymous with "quality." And I think they're paying for that in the long term.
Hell, Sony let The Last Guardian wade its way through development hell for 10 years, while MS axed Scalebound after what, two, maybe three? Granted we don't know the whole story behind Scalebound, and it's easy for me to be critical from a distance without really knowing the details, but I can't imagine Scalebound being in any worse shape than TLG.
Point being, Nintendo and Sony really try to cultivate what they do have, and are willing to risk-take on the things they don't. MS doesn't do either nearly as well.
It's best first party, and it's one of the same as a person's favorite.Yeah, but the thread was asking which has the best third party, not your favourite.
Im a little slow today, tell me the difference between this 2 then
Pokemon isn't first party either. Not really sure how this is hard to understand. If it's not made by a studio that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo own then it's not first party. The IP being owned by them doesn't make the game first party, it means they own the IP.And Kirby
As well as Pokemon and smash.
Lots of bizarre dismissals from both sides in this thread. I guess that's the nature of list wars.
Outsider as in someone not familiar with the convoluted sub franchises Nintendo sets up, so basically not a die hard, sorry. I didn't mean it to come off the wrong way.a) Fire Emblem Fates is not a spinoff
b) Fair enough
c) If your bringing games from the Wii era and practically GC then that Sony list just got 5 times bigger
d) I literally quoted what you said and proved you wrong, please read my recent post again.
I'm an outsider really??? wow
Outsider as in someone not familiar with the convoluted sub franchises Nintendo sets up, so basically not a die hard, sorry. I didn't mean it to come off the wrong way.
As for point d), these were your exact words:
'You say no Sony franchise counts is legitimate bait so I had to do the research for you. So I'm not sure who really is making the stupid argument and it's really comes across as condescending on your part...'
I didn't say no Sony franchise counts. I very specifically said none counts with respect to the whole 'needs to be 90 or above' argument. I very clearly even brought up Uncharted, along with Golden Abyss and Lost Legacy (the two Uncharted games which HAVEN'T), which should have ensured there was no confusion (which there shouldn't have been because my original post was very explicit.).
What am I missing? And I'm asking this in a non sarcastic way, because I really am not sure- what am I missing here?
I never said they don't???? I said that if you're saying 'no nintendo series counts if it doesn't consistently score 90 or above' then only by that metric no Sony series counts either.I'll repeat again:
Metacritic Scores:
For PS4
Uncharted 4 is 93
Bloodborne is 92
Both games are above 90... and do count. Not sure why you're confused.
I'm sorry if I misconstrued your post as a list war effort, but it's hard for me to conceptualize something like Smash Bros as a third party IP.Pokemon isn't first party either. Not really sure how this is hard to understand. If it's not made by a studio that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo own then it's not first party. The IP being owned by them doesn't make the game first party, it means they own the IP.
Putting this down to "list wars" is stupid. I prefer Microsoft's first party output, but Gears of war 1-J weren't first party. Ori isn't first party. Sunset Overdrive wasn't first party.
as a whole company, Pokemon ALL is split into 3
Nintendo works more magic with the hardware they have than whatever other company does. Sony games looks better cause better hardware but Nintendo code monkey are better than SonyMy point is that the fidelity and performance of Nintendo hardware, along with other things, is lagging behind other consoles.
That's debatable.Nintendo works more magic with the hardware they have than whatever other company does. Sony games looks better cause better hardware but Nintendo code monkey are better than Sony
I never said they don't???? I said that if you're saying 'no nintendo series counts if it doesn't consistently score 90 or above' then only by that metric no Sony series counts either.
Like, I've been pretty clear about what I'm saying and very explicitly emphasized my conditional...
I think making a game looks good is "easy" as it is mocap, polygon count and textures maps
they tried, it didnt end well
This is exactly what the fuck was said before this years E3 lmaoI think the future is bright under VP Spencer's leadership.
Maybe we will have a very different conversation after next E3.
It's a hit-driven business. We look at our financial results of the titles, and probably three or four out of ten make money, and maybe one or two make all the money to cover the cost of the others titles. So we have to be able to maintain that hit ratio at a certain level to be able to continue in the business, so we always try to find out and support and help grow the talent. That's the most important work that I believe myself and some of my management team at worldwide studios are doing.
- Stepping back to assess and approach this question from a non personal, objective point of view, Nintendo remains to this day the only company that can consistently get people to buy into its platforms for nothing other than its games. A purely first party box by Sony or Microsoft would not sell- Nintendo has sold its systems off the back of nothing but its first party games for over 20 years now.
Smash Brothers IP is owned by Nintendo, but if they're outsourcing the development then those games aren't first party. Same with Metroid.I'm sorry if I misconstrued your post as a list war effort, but it's hard for me to conceptualize something like Smash Bros as a third party IP.
Will Metroid Prime 4 be counted as third party if it's found to be developed by a third party studio?
game freak make the RPGs, and Nintendo don't own them iirc so they're not first party.as a whole company, Pokemon ALL is split into 3
but when it comes to Pokemon Game RPG, that one IT IS 1st party. That one doesnt move without a word from Nintendo.
Smash Brothers IP is owned by Nintendo, but if they're outsourcing the development then those games aren't first party. Same with Metroid
It's been part of their identity since the early days of the NES.Somewhat off-topic, but I'm still confused at how Metroid is more relevant in terms of Nintendo IP than say the more popular Splatoon and Animal Crossing?
1. Nintendo - they have the gameplay sorted out. They have the brand / mascots. Fighting, platforming, kart racers, i'll call Zelda an rpg, RPG's.
2. Sony - Single player narrative games. They got em'. They have a bunch of Japanese games that seem to light up the market. Played the Nier demo, it was not for me apparently. Thumper.
3. Xbox - I bought Cuphead. I'm not sure if it counts though since it's only Console Exclusive. Not a lot in the pipe though. So obviously, 3rd. Which is still podium. I do hope Sea of Thieves is good.
True, feels like it was on PS4 for ages before though. Had to be like 6 months. Doesn't matter what console it was on. Game was great.
No, that's not how it works. If the platform holder owns the IP, then it is a 1st party game. It can have 3rd party development, but the game itself is owned by the platform holder and is, by definition, 1st party. You own it = it's yours = 1st party.Pokemon isn't first party either. Not really sure how this is hard to understand. If it's not made by a studio that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo own then it's not first party. The IP being owned by them doesn't make the game first party, it means they own the IP.
Putting this down to "list wars" is stupid. I prefer Microsoft's first party output, but Gears of war 1-J weren't first party. Ori isn't first party. Sunset Overdrive wasn't first party.