So Kingdom Hearts features two versions of Organization XIII the original one seen in Chain of Memories and II and the true one seen in 3D and II. So which one did you find better?
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Which Organization XIII was better? The original or the true one
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I like DDD and KH3 more than your usual Resetera User but come on this is no competition. Organization XIII was a cast of unique characters, all brand new, all with unique powers and weapons, and they were a huge part of why their three games were great. True Organization XIII is mostly made up of Xehanort variants, past villains, and leftover Organization members sitting on the bench for most of the game. It's not even close.
Original and it's not even remotely within the same galaxy of comparisonsā¦the "true" are so similar to each other and forgettable.
Original actually felt like an organization. It's fun to think of Saix being the grumpy hardass because he probably was the one who had to do deal with all the reports and all the paperwork. I also enjoyed how they were depicted in the manga.
True had the better boss fights, but by start of KH3 they were still trying to round out their ranks. Imagine being that unprepared that close to the execution of the grand plan. Closest they felt to an organization to me was in Vexen and Demyx's conversation with each other, and those two were benchwarmers.
True had the better boss fights, but by start of KH3 they were still trying to round out their ranks. Imagine being that unprepared that close to the execution of the grand plan. Closest they felt to an organization to me was in Vexen and Demyx's conversation with each other, and those two were benchwarmers.
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Something which confused me is how they all allegedly had pieces of Xehanort's heart but it didn't influence their behaviour at all
New XIII is a mess and funny to think about with all the added context post KH3.
5 of the members are the same person (3 of which from different points in time), One is a replica of Riku, another is a reconstructed replica of the absolute mess that is Sora's memories (Xion), Marluxia is an amnesiac time travelling keyblade faction leader from several hundred years in the past, Larxene is also an amnesiac keyblade wielder from the distant past, Vanitas is the physical manifestation of True Darkness that possessed Ventus several hundred years ago and time traveled with him to BBS's present. Xigbar is a body hopping keyblade master, and finally Luxord is the most suspicious character in the series so far.
5 of the members are the same person (3 of which from different points in time), One is a replica of Riku, another is a reconstructed replica of the absolute mess that is Sora's memories (Xion), Marluxia is an amnesiac time travelling keyblade faction leader from several hundred years in the past, Larxene is also an amnesiac keyblade wielder from the distant past, Vanitas is the physical manifestation of True Darkness that possessed Ventus several hundred years ago and time traveled with him to BBS's present. Xigbar is a body hopping keyblade master, and finally Luxord is the most suspicious character in the series so far.
Original has a dude whose blade is a guitar.
The true group is some Kang level multiversal self bullshit (which, while killing variety, is my kind of dumb story shit)
Original wins.
The true group is some Kang level multiversal self bullshit (which, while killing variety, is my kind of dumb story shit)
Original wins.
I didn't mind that because it underscored the difference between Sora and Xehanort. Sora's friends are his power while Xehanort can't trust anyone to the point that he'd rather create 13 copies of himself. And even when he does, he doesn't bother to secure their loyalty or friendship or anything meaningful like that. This is echoed in Xemnas realizing he took his comrades for granted, leaving him with nothing but emptiness. Also echoed in Xehanort himself having no one to honor his legacy while Eraqus was able to share an embrace with his students before he passed on.
I am in the extreme minority I guess but for me the true one still has most of the best guys from the original (Xigbar, Marluxia, Larxene, Saix) while adding dudes like Xemnas, Ansem, and Master Xehanort who are all-time great Kingdom Hearts antagonists. I don't think it's far and away the better of the two (I like them both) but the true organization gets the edge.
They're both terrible but the original wins out simply because they aren't clones of the same guy.
I got second hand embarrassment because of out everything related to the True Organization XIII. A plot device that was created with no clear plan to execute it, or willingness to commit to the concept.
When you have to fill in the numbers with Riku's damned replica, Xion, 4 guys that didn't even know why they were there, Xehanort 4 timesā¦ it was a damn mess.
KH3 should have been Terranort, Braig and Isa teaming up and that's it. 10 lights against 3 darknesses. There you have it. number 13.
When you have to fill in the numbers with Riku's damned replica, Xion, 4 guys that didn't even know why they were there, Xehanort 4 timesā¦ it was a damn mess.
KH3 should have been Terranort, Braig and Isa teaming up and that's it. 10 lights against 3 darknesses. There you have it. number 13.
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The guys she told you not to worry about.
Who are these?
The Ascians from Final Fantasy XIV. I guess you could call them that game's Organization XIII.
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The true one has all the cool characters from the first one, while adding the likes of Ansem, Terranort, and Vanitas (and young Xehanort I guess).
So true all the way.
So true all the way.
No, but it's a long game and the payoff is top tier. I wish I could say the same for the plot in KH. I still love KH, but certainly not for its story. I think I stopped caring about that when Dream Drop Distance hit and it truly jumped the shark.
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Ugh......
Also given Young Xehanort is a member couldn't Xehanort have just gotten 13 different versions of himself from the past to fill the Organization?
someone one said that Xehanort never had the same motivation in every single game he's been in and I couldn't stop laughing
You've done it Era, you've created the most brain dead poll results of all time.
New Organization is an objective improvement over the Original. Original has 5 absolute fucking bench warmers : Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, and Demyx fucking suck and have no coherent motivations or goals. Xaldin and Lexaeus turn out to be FUCKING GATE GUARDS for Ansem the Wise. Vexen and Zexion only become interesting after being recompleted and going back to their original roles as researchers alongside Ansem the Wise. Demyx is at least entertaining, but as proven by his behavior in KH3, he had absolutely no rhyme or reason to help the Organization in 2 and Days.
New Organization makes the absolutely cracked and BASED decision to compile all the bad guys from previous games via time traveling heart bullshit, which lines up perfectly with Xehanort's "can't trust anyone but myself, I don't need friends" villain mentality PLUS brings back all the actually cool and interesting original Organization members for EVEN BETTER fights than they had in KH2.
These poll results prove that Era is hard addicted to nostalgia.
New Organization is an objective improvement over the Original. Original has 5 absolute fucking bench warmers : Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, and Demyx fucking suck and have no coherent motivations or goals. Xaldin and Lexaeus turn out to be FUCKING GATE GUARDS for Ansem the Wise. Vexen and Zexion only become interesting after being recompleted and going back to their original roles as researchers alongside Ansem the Wise. Demyx is at least entertaining, but as proven by his behavior in KH3, he had absolutely no rhyme or reason to help the Organization in 2 and Days.
New Organization makes the absolutely cracked and BASED decision to compile all the bad guys from previous games via time traveling heart bullshit, which lines up perfectly with Xehanort's "can't trust anyone but myself, I don't need friends" villain mentality PLUS brings back all the actually cool and interesting original Organization members for EVEN BETTER fights than they had in KH2.
These poll results prove that Era is hard addicted to nostalgia.
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Yeh but original is just iconic soooooooo š
You right though for real for real. Original did have some fuckin jobbers, and true really was fitting for an asshole like Xehanort.
New one is trash
Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort
At least the old one had unique members
Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort
At least the old one had unique members