Yeah but none of that has been influential on:
Blockbusters - oh wait
Horror - ok you've got a point
Sports movies - ok sure
Social critique in films - damn it
Why do the '70s have (almost) no (pop) cultural influence?
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Blockbusters - oh wait
Horror - ok you've got a point
Sports movies - ok sure
Social critique in films - damn it
Just some '70s movies that had a huge influence on genre and trends and still influence films today:
Shaft, A Bay of Blood, The French Connection, Duel, The Devils, The Godfather, Fist of Fury, Five Fingers of Death, The Wicker Man, The Exorcist, Chinatown, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Jaws, Rocky, Eraserhead, Star Wars, Halloween, Alien
Like '80s might be the decade with more overt nostalgia, but '70s cinema is perpetual evergreen bedrock whose influence is everywhere in cinema across basically every genre from indie films to today's biggest blockbusters.
Shaft, A Bay of Blood, The French Connection, Duel, The Devils, The Godfather, Fist of Fury, Five Fingers of Death, The Wicker Man, The Exorcist, Chinatown, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Jaws, Rocky, Eraserhead, Star Wars, Halloween, Alien
Like '80s might be the decade with more overt nostalgia, but '70s cinema is perpetual evergreen bedrock whose influence is everywhere in cinema across basically every genre from indie films to today's biggest blockbusters.
clearly need a rockstar game set in the 70s or some shit so that current thing is all pervasive rather the 70s influences being more subtle.
There's more options in general for everything today though, and far more accessible too, so it's perhaps a difference of proportion- you can find way more options for optimistic stuff today too in addition to the darker stuff, and tailor it to watch hundreds of hours of whatever you want pretty easily.
Definitely.
Early '80s still had everyone with shit green refrigerators or yellow/dark brown furniture.
The iconic '80s of neon colors and geometric patterns was prominent in late '80s and carried over to early '90s.
I think the OP's point can be framed more as "Why isn't there an industry of cultural nostalgia production for the 70s the same way there is for the 90s and the 80s and even the 60s sometimes?"
I'm not sure I have the answer, but whatever it is I think its part of why I've really been getting into 70s cinema over the last couple of years, there's something textural to a lot of the output from that era that's incredible refreshing because I haven't had it shoved down my throat since adolescence.
I'm not sure I have the answer, but whatever it is I think its part of why I've really been getting into 70s cinema over the last couple of years, there's something textural to a lot of the output from that era that's incredible refreshing because I haven't had it shoved down my throat since adolescence.
But that's my point. There is no lacking in bleak content. I'd say there has been a glut of it.
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Hotpants, kneehigh boots, oversized glasses? Yeah, youĀ“re right i never see those nowadays.
Yep. Interior design and fashion are pretty much 70s part 2 right down to avocado green cabinets, wallpaper and and loud prints.
My point is that there's also a glut of optimistic media to balance it out, whereas even kids media in the 70s could be pretty bleak or just plain weird compared to today, without having the option of endless upbeat stuff to balance it out.
That 70s show ran for close to a decade in the early 2000s
Also Greece the Musical (1978) and a bunch of other things.
That's true of everything though and not because the 70's are forgotten or irrelevant. There are more options for everything from TV shows to food to eat while nothing in particular dominates, or at least not for very long.
Alien alone has to be one of the most influential films of all time. And it also influenced a ton of games, like Metroid.
~20 years ago we had movies and TV like That 70s Show, Anchorman, Starsky and Hutch, Black Dynamite, and bands like Wolfmotherāthese feel pretty comparable to the 90s nostalgia stuff we see currently all the time aimed at 20somethings to 30somethings. And that's not to mention the whole wave of indie guitar rock bands deeply influenced by 70s rock and post-punk. That's less directly nostalgic than the comedy and TV, but it was absolutely a huge revival of 70s cultural influence.
We'll probably not see 70s revival become part of the monoculture againāwe're on the precipice of 2000s culture nostalgia rnābut you'll see its influences forever. Silk Sonic, Deathloop, etc etc.
What do you base that on exactly? You deserve the backlash in this thread for that faceplantingly bad take on its own. Also disco and punk having no influence... Wow. Maybe try turning on a radio, looking at some music charts or just seeing what's popular on the landing page of your music streaming app of choice?
The 70s are so long ago that the 20-year cycle happened 20 years ago -- I'm old enough that the 70s revival of stuff like bellbottom jeans and VW Beetles happened during my formative years of the late 90s. Hell, Cher had a #1 hit in 1998 with "Believe (Life after Love)".
Totally forgot about the existence of That 70's Show. Nevermind me then.
I was replying to your point about there being more bleak stuff today with how that proportion of 'more of optimistic stuff too' wasn't there in the 70s. I wasn't suggesting the 70s are forgotten or irrelevant. My point was that there is so much of everything instantly available today that you can watch whatever you want, but in the 70s you were restricted to what was at the cinema and what was being broadcast at that moment on TV. So you couldn't curate your own media to the same extent. It's a matter of choice and curation rather than the sum total of what's available. One example that springs to mind is how a lot of the 1970s Dr Who stories are a lot darker than today, and that's down to the Cold War and post-war themes and background behind it as the writers poured that into stories. That would likely be 45 minutes of the only 90 minutes of kids tv on any of the 3 channels available that day. Whereas today if you're a kid and you don't want to see the Daleks exterminate people and the Doctor talk about whether he has the right to finally wipe their species out, you can press a button to queue up several hours of Bluey for feelgood vibes instead.
Well, for the fans of rock bands we definitely don't have the great bands they had back then. The last 'mainstream' rock bands were the grunge bands from the 90's.
It might just be me, but I don't feel today's music, it doesn't move me like Bohemian Rapsody or Stairway to heaven did. There's no depth to it.
Idk I feel like I never had much 80s or 90s nostalgia because the 70s were always more interesting to me growing up and now.
Edit: misread that post.
However, I do want to shoutout giallo movies like Suspiria, who even Carpenter himself has said influenced his work
However, I do want to shoutout giallo movies like Suspiria, who even Carpenter himself has said influenced his work
As a part of my home remodel, I did wallpaper for the bathrooms. I wanted to do some 70s green backsplash for the kitchen but the wife said no lol.
I always like 70s sci-fi set designs. Alien is such a masterpiece for that (amongst other aspects), the whole 'the future is an 8-bit computer' vibe!
The problem is also thinking of it in discrete chunks of time rather than a constant flow of influences and culture. Nothing is an island so everything from the 80s is directly influenced by what came before. Everything in the 80s that someone would consider influential comes straight from developments and trends in the 70s or reactions to the 70s/60s.
Also you're detecting cynicism in the 70s because it was a cynical time. The ongoing Vietnam War, Kent State right in 1970, Watergate, Recession, energy crisis, tons of political violence. That was all reflected in the art and culture. It was no longer the '67 summer of love. MLK and Robert Kennedy were assassinated in '68 and then we entered the 70s.
Also you're detecting cynicism in the 70s because it was a cynical time. The ongoing Vietnam War, Kent State right in 1970, Watergate, Recession, energy crisis, tons of political violence. That was all reflected in the art and culture. It was no longer the '67 summer of love. MLK and Robert Kennedy were assassinated in '68 and then we entered the 70s.
What a narrow view of culture overall. If I do not see it or know about it, it clearly does not exist.
This is one of those threads where it's damn near pointless to respond to the OP. No matter what you say they move the goalposts or just claim no one's reading their posts. Pointless to respond to, but interesting to watch all the jumping through hoops they do.
I also feel like this is a stealth "Oh, you olds just don't understand the world!" thread with posts like
"I mean rock music is irrelevant nowadays, people do know that here, right?" and "Like, I know people here don't know who Travis Scott is, but seriously?"
Now to decide if I should just put them on ignore or wait and see what stupid shit they say next.
I also feel like this is a stealth "Oh, you olds just don't understand the world!" thread with posts like
"I mean rock music is irrelevant nowadays, people do know that here, right?" and "Like, I know people here don't know who Travis Scott is, but seriously?"
Now to decide if I should just put them on ignore or wait and see what stupid shit they say next.
It's because you're old. Listen to yourself, you sound like your old man.
The irony of OP arrogantly insinuating others don't know of a musician he knows of within the context of the thread topic has not been lost on anyone lol
Rather than admit being wrong OP is, as you and others have stated, "moving the goalposts".
I do feel like the 70s has kind of a "middle child" syndrome compared to the 60s and the 80s, which are more prominent in their cultural legacy. The 70s are a lot more quiet and downbeat compared to the revolutionary optimism of the 60s and the commercialized glitz of the 80s.
But that's what makes it so good!
But that's what makes it so good!
I genuinely cannot believe OP got that many words out of an idea that is just blatantly incorrect. The influence 70s cinema, music, and fashion had can be seen everywhere even today.
One more I hadn't seen mentioned yet- The Clash, and more specifically, London Calling. The title of which references the BBC World Service during WWII, with the lyrics referring to 'a nuclear error' (Three Mile Island, Pennsylvania, the biggest accident in US commercial nuclear power history). Also police brutality ('that truncheon thing').
Anyway- this seems like 1970s punk rock that's still pretty relevant in 2022 to me:
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Anyway- this seems like 1970s punk rock that's still pretty relevant in 2022 to me:
The Clash - Wikipedia
The 80s are just I'm vouge because the kids that grew up in that period are experiencing midlife nostalgia.
The 70s had their come back in the late 90s and the 90s kids will have their nostalgia one day soon.
The 70s had their come back in the late 90s and the 90s kids will have their nostalgia one day soon.
so insane, in fact, that the OP got banned for it š²
If movies in the 1970s felt bleak, that was a reflection of a pretty tough cultural time and some painful changes: a global energy crisis; Vietnam; the Olympic massacre in Munich; just a few years removed from some truly seismic political assassinations that disenchanted a lot of people about politics and social change; the Iran revolution; political assassinations in Korea and CIA-sponsored upheavals in Chile.
There's also just the New American Cinema mandate to be more serious in general, to take things without irony. The New American Cinema is directly responsible for how we think about Hollywood auteurism today, and the biggest names from that period still hold sway as the patron saints of American moviemaking. We don't get Paul Thomas Anderson without the 1970s, we don't get so much of how we think about directors and film culture.
But even all this nostalgia about the bleakness of 1970s cinema or the New American style is a bit of modern tunnel vision. There were tons of stupid, fun movies in the 1970s. This is the decade of Smokey and the fucking Bandit, for god's sake. Star Wars, Jaws. The most cartoonish version of James Bond. It's the decade of Shaw Brothers kung fu. Planet of the Apes sequels. There's a direct line to Marvel movies here. We don't get Marvel films without the 1970s. The entire approach to mass market big budget adventure movies started in the 70s.
We don't get RRR without Sholay. How many Indian adventure movies are still trying to echo Sholay's cocktail of bittersweet wild adventure romance epic?
Siskel and Ebert started in the 1970s. Youtube reviews, vlogs about movies, """film twitter"", none of this happens without thoes guys and how they democratized an approach to movie criticism. The 1970s is the decade of Derrida, Foucault, all the big theorists about language and literature.
In terms of music, the entire indie rock owes its core to the 1970s. How many indie rock bands would give their front teeth for a single Fleetwood Mac melody? When acts like Calvin Harris or Daft Punk do their thing, you see a lot of comments like "lol this is so 1980s!!" but just about everything about their work, even the aesthetic of their music videos, is inherited from the 1970s. I don't think we get Lady Gaga without the 1970s. We don't get so much about how we think about pop music style and fashion. Bruno Mars is straight out of the 1970s.
I could go on...
There's also just the New American Cinema mandate to be more serious in general, to take things without irony. The New American Cinema is directly responsible for how we think about Hollywood auteurism today, and the biggest names from that period still hold sway as the patron saints of American moviemaking. We don't get Paul Thomas Anderson without the 1970s, we don't get so much of how we think about directors and film culture.
But even all this nostalgia about the bleakness of 1970s cinema or the New American style is a bit of modern tunnel vision. There were tons of stupid, fun movies in the 1970s. This is the decade of Smokey and the fucking Bandit, for god's sake. Star Wars, Jaws. The most cartoonish version of James Bond. It's the decade of Shaw Brothers kung fu. Planet of the Apes sequels. There's a direct line to Marvel movies here. We don't get Marvel films without the 1970s. The entire approach to mass market big budget adventure movies started in the 70s.
We don't get RRR without Sholay. How many Indian adventure movies are still trying to echo Sholay's cocktail of bittersweet wild adventure romance epic?
Siskel and Ebert started in the 1970s. Youtube reviews, vlogs about movies, """film twitter"", none of this happens without thoes guys and how they democratized an approach to movie criticism. The 1970s is the decade of Derrida, Foucault, all the big theorists about language and literature.
In terms of music, the entire indie rock owes its core to the 1970s. How many indie rock bands would give their front teeth for a single Fleetwood Mac melody? When acts like Calvin Harris or Daft Punk do their thing, you see a lot of comments like "lol this is so 1980s!!" but just about everything about their work, even the aesthetic of their music videos, is inherited from the 1970s. I don't think we get Lady Gaga without the 1970s. We don't get so much about how we think about pop music style and fashion. Bruno Mars is straight out of the 1970s.
I could go on...
I think this is a case of "it's not being used all the time like Stranger Things" and other stuff which keeps propping up the 80s.