Razmos

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The one thing I always don't get about Ant Man in the MCU is how much of a criminal he actually was? Like from the sounds of it he did one "heist" against an evil company like Robin Hood and got arrested but everyone talks about him like he's a master criminal. Maybe I missed something, was he a criminal before that?
 

Joni

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The one thing I always don't get about Ant Man in the MCU is how much of a criminal he actually was? Like from the sounds of it he did one "heist" against an evil company like Robin Hood and got arrested but everyone talks about him like he's a master criminal. Maybe I missed something, was he a criminal before that?
Because his backstory made clear that wasn't the first time he did it.
 

Kain

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Btw I never dealt with quantum physics while learning about semiconductors, I don't know why some people think it's necessary. Like, I get how you can understand better how they work other than P-N regions and all that stuff, and for sure the first time we're introduced into semiconductors we get a couple of hours of more or less quantum related stuff (it's more chemistry and material properties things though) but, it's really really not important for our work. It's just stuff you know it exists but the bottom line is PNP, NPN, doping, diode, transistor, boom!

My semiconductors professor was a physics PHD and he had a blast explaining all the physics details, but ultimately an engineer doesn't need all the details. Most of the time our work relies on knowing the equations, parameters and what happens when you modify something, but ask us the fine print and we draw a blank lol

Same as why the first year you become a calculus expert and Fourier is your second name and by the last year of your degree you have forgotten 100% all of that because most of the time you can approximate everything to dirac's deltas or other simple solutions like that.
 

orava

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This really isn't even just regular old quantum physics. It's handwavey super sciences that would be completely foreign to anybody.
 

kiguel182

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Having a degree in something doesn't mean you know a different field. Pym is also doing a lot of advanced stuff which makes it even less likely a mechanical engineer would understand.

It would make no sense if he went "I got a masters on electrical engineer so I totally dominate quantum physics". I mean, both have math I guess lol

Also, his degree is probably 20 years old at that point
 

Nooblet

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The same way whatever degree you have wouldn't help you in a conversation in something completely unrelated.
I have a degree in computer science and yet I understand a lot when it comes to physics, biology, electrical engineering, and economics. Enough to get an idea of what people who specialise in these fields are saying and have a conversation with them. There will be things that I don't understand why they work the way they do at a low level but it'd never really make me go "woah I didn't get a word of that" because I'd still atleast be able to have a very general high level understanding of what it is doing and go "Oh that's cool, I didn't know that was possible", ofcourse I wouldn't know how it's done, its limitations or really understand the math, but I wouldn't be totally clueless. Obviously the way Scott reacts as totally clueless is done for comedic purpose so I get that. But he also exists in a world where Avengers and aliens exist. But also Tony Stark did Physics and Electrical Engineering in MIT, and he is an expert in basically everything.

Science may have several fields but they are all inherently connected to each other
because the universe itself is connected. Like you can't really develop artificial neural networks without understanding how biological neurons work. We already have built quantum computers, and those computer scientists won't have been able to do so without having an understanding of electrical engineering and quantum physics. You also can't do rocket science without understanding chemistry, physics, electrical engineering, and structural engineering. Or how you need programming knowledge regardless of you being in chemistry, physics or engineering.

On an average person's level, we have information available at the tip of our hands. And life just has a way of putting things in front of you requiring you to gain more knowledge. Like look back at the times you've visited Wikipedia or YouTube and searched for something, then within that article clicked something that led to another wiki article and so on. It's just human nature to do that.


Ofcourse how much you indulge in it depends on person to person and how inquisitive and curious they are to find out new shit.
 
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DeltaRed

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The likes of Hank Pym, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner etc. are basically supergeniuses on a level that we don't have in the real world so any comparisons to "I know a physicist and I understand him" is pointless. Your physicist friends wouldn't understand them either.


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Im pretty sure this dude has a degree too.
 

Richiek

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The one thing I always don't get about Ant Man in the MCU is how much of a criminal he actually was? Like from the sounds of it he did one "heist" against an evil company like Robin Hood and got arrested but everyone talks about him like he's a master criminal. Maybe I missed something, was he a criminal before that?

I think the first Ant-Man film is a subtle critique on how society harshly judges people with a criminal record, with Scott only able to get a job from Baskin Robbins getting fired and Maggie and Paxton not thinking highly of him to allow him to see Cassie.

Also, people are constantly disrespecting/underestimating Scott in the MCU.

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caliph95

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Besides him just being like a c tier engineer who is out of his depth

He tends to be the dumbest and least experience of the ant man scientists in the exposition scenes because he's like a regular engineer surronded by super scientists so he's used as an excuse to explain shit to the audience
The one thing I always don't get about Ant Man in the MCU is how much of a criminal he actually was? Like from the sounds of it he did one "heist" against an evil company like Robin Hood and got arrested but everyone talks about him like he's a master criminal. Maybe I missed something, was he a criminal before that?
This iirc was a result the Ant Man movie having remnants of Edgar Wright touch and its obvious there's two different Visions if you look closely
Which is why you get Hank Pym backstory having done one heist but the movie acts like Pym is an expert and even his heist on Pym he acts like an expert not someone who did one job and got caught

The villain also feels like two different character at times
 

AnansiThePersona

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Marvel science is really only useful for determining who's getting a cameo in a comic/film