Sources please. This is straight up propaganda-peddling.Snowden is a criminal, a traitor, and a coward that did real damage to our national security.
If you're someone who puts the two in the same sentence with the thinking their actions and motivations were similar you're probably a fucking idiot.He gets lumped with Assange who actively tried to fuck the USA while Snowden wanted to open up dirty secrets and public security rights.
It wasn't on GAF neither. It is a complicated subject, but I don't believe Snowden is simply some American hero.
if ur a real martyr you would spend the rest of your life in ADX florence for exposing injustice in the US government with full knowledge that the people responsible would never be held accountableWeird thread. Americans sure love throwing people in prison for the rest of their lives.
Criminal: He broke the law.
Traitor: He gave out classified US Intelligence information
Coward: He ran to Russia to hide.
And for what? He didn't actually blow a whistle on anything.
It wasn't on GAF neither. It is a complicated subject, but I don't believe Snowden is simply some American hero.
People make mistakes. And it's not that far off from the Truth. Hillary would have been a good president, but she would be very much influenced by large banks. Compared to Trump that's fantastic.
Snowden is rather complex. I wouldn't call him a hero. Most of the American populace collectively shrugged about his reveals as well. Maybe it says more about us than him.
I'm not giving you the avatar quote.
Nah, too easy.
To be fair, that supermax looks scary as shitLOL. The US doesn't even assassinate spies who fucking steal nuclear secrets and sell them to the israelis, chinese, or russians. Instead we throw them in a SuperMax in Colorado for the rest of their lives.
If we aren't killing those guys, we aren't gonna kill Snowden. Come on now.
But he defended individual freedom and pointed out the impact of modern technology on our lives, and how mere citizen can be spied.Maybehecouldnt go to Europe because Europe would have cooperated to arrest him.
Whatever the hell Americans seem to be drinking, Snowden is a hero to everyone else in the world. The NSA should have been burned to the ground and its tech open sourced.
This this this. Everyone needs to read all of this. Snowden's a huge nra, alt right moron that now puppets for Putin. Fuck him. Y'all being duped by Snowden and Putin, just like WikiLeaks, in thinking he was anything noble or heroic.That he's a Ron Paul stan is instructive in understanding why many would not be fans of the guy. https://newrepublic.com/article/116...nn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe
What triggered the leaking was not some deep-seated moral conviction about personal privacy, but that Snowden was a piece of shit who freaked out when Obama was elected when he had no real issue previously under Bush.
Just setting aside the obvious fact some countries simply don't have the capacity to spy on their citizens in a similar manner, no. Even in countries with the technical skill to pull it off they won't bother even considering it because their geopolitics doesn't make them seriously consider having internal surveillance like this. The exception to this are countries without big ambitions but are under constant threat of a country that wants regional or global control like Taiwan.You don't think every other country isn't doing the same shit to their citizens.
IDK how people are jumping thru mental hoops over this. It's that simple. Jesus.why is he a traitor? isn't the goverment spying on their own people the bigger traitorous act?
He's not a traitor but he's hardly a hero either.why is he a traitor? isn't the goverment spying on their own people the bigger traitorous act?
What triggered the leaking was not some deep-seated moral conviction about personal privacy, but that Snowden was a piece of shit who freaked out when Obama was elected when he had no real issue previously under Bush.
Others in the intelligence community, especially in the US, will grudgingly credit Snowden for starting a much-needed debate about where the line should be drawn between privacy and surveillance. The former deputy director of the NSA Richard Ledgett, when retiring last year, said the government should have made public the fact there was bulk collection of phone data.
The former GCHQ director Sir David Omand shared Fleming's assessment of the damage but admitted Snowden had contributed to the introduction of new legislation. "A sounder and more transparent legal framework is now in place for necessary intelligence gathering. That would have happened eventually, of course, but his actions certainly hastened the process," Omand said.
This topic is fresh and it's already full of hot takes by authoritarian-loving liberals. What a fucking shame.
Snowden is absolutely a hero. He didn't just do a mass data dump, he did a controlled release. And look, Snodwen exposed the Obama administration's wholesale abuses of the Constitution. Americans are being spied on every day, en masse, without any regard to their right to privacy, or protection from unreasonable search. But as a nation we have goldfish brains. Most of us kind of shrugged and went back to our reality TV and Netflix instead of being rightfully enraged.
Also running to Russia versus being disappeared into a prison here in the US was his only move unless you think that the Obama administration would have treated him fairly (they wouldn't have, Obama's record on whistleblowers is an embarrassment). I don't fault him for that. He hasn't gone down the Assange route and become a Putin tool, either.
This topic is fresh and it's already full of hot takes by authoritarian-loving liberals. What a fucking shame.
Snowden is absolutely a hero. He didn't just do a mass data dump, he did a controlled release. And look, Snodwen exposed the Obama administration's wholesale abuses of the Constitution. Americans are being spied on every day, en masse, without any regard to their right to privacy, or protection from unreasonable search. But as a nation we have goldfish brains. Most of us kind of shrugged and went back to our reality TV and Netflix instead of being rightfully enraged.
Also running to Russia versus being disappeared into a prison here in the US was his only move unless you think that the Obama administration would have treated him fairly (they wouldn't have, Obama's record on whistleblowers is an embarrassment). I don't fault him for that. He hasn't gone down the Assange route and become a Putin tool, either.
Snowden is a criminal, a traitor, and a coward that did real damage to our national security.
Also no to this post. He calls himself a patriot. Thats false. You cant claim you are a patriot of America and flee to a foreign adversary because you afraid you would end up in jail. Saying that "It was his only option" is giving him a pass. He would not have been subject to torture like Manning and probably would have been pardoned. Now however a pardon wont every be on the table as he is probably feeding information to Putin and his cronies at the FSB. He is probably doing more harm than good behind the scenes.This topic is fresh and it's already full of hot takes by authoritarian-loving liberals. What a fucking shame.
Snowden is absolutely a hero. He didn't just do a mass data dump, he did a controlled release. And look, Snodwen exposed the Obama administration's wholesale abuses of the Constitution. Americans are being spied on every day, en masse, without any regard to their right to privacy, or protection from unreasonable search. But as a nation we have goldfish brains. Most of us kind of shrugged and went back to our reality TV and Netflix instead of being rightfully enraged.
Also running to Russia versus being disappeared into a prison here in the US was his only move unless you think that the Obama administration would have treated him fairly (they wouldn't have, Obama's record on whistleblowers is an embarrassment). I don't fault him for that. He hasn't gone down the Assange route and become a Putin tool, either.
It's a good thing to distrust American intelligence agencies, do you see what they do to their own people?Snowden did a good thing in revealing clandestine spying on Americans but the unfortunate side effect was to massively increase people's distrust of American intelligence agencies. In a sense that may be a good thing up to a point but it's made way easier to convince people of a "deep state" conspiracy. And weakening people's faith in institutions is how you get people to accept other forms of government. Hard to say if this was a planned consequence or not.
I think Snowden now is just a sock puppet. Him sitting in Russia wanting to protect journalist freedoms is just laughable. He wants to protect journalists but he has a sit down with Putin who kills journalists is a total propaganda piece. He's either oblivious to this or he simply he has no choice and either one is a no no in my book.
To me it's between what he did and what he's doing now, where I can't call him a hero.
Also no to this post. He calls himself a patriot. Thats false. You cant claim you are a patriot of America and flee to a foreign adversary because you afraid you would end up in jail.
If he was really brave, he would have stayed in the USA and face the consequences like a whistleblower should. Thats not what happened. It was a coward move.
It's a good thing to distrust American intelligence agencies, do you see what they do to their own people?
If Snowden had revealed only documents concerning PRISM and then fled to Morocco, I'd think a lot more of the guy.
But he copied tons of sensitive documents and then went to flippin' China and then Russia.